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OK, that may be wrongly named and structured, but the intention is a category for
Industrial warfare which ended with the dawn of the atomic age. So a break at 1945 is still required. Ah, but perhaps not for civil wars, as they are non-nuclear? –
FayenaticLondon 22:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Exactly, for civil wars 1945 is an arbitrary break.
Marcocapelle (
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As for
Category:Warfare of the late modern period, the whole 20th century is in it, so I would suggest simply editing the header, to link to late modern period instead of to industrial era, and to move post-1945 and 21st century under it.
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Fayenatic london: why so? We do not usually categorize by industrial era, undoubtedly because its beginning and end are rather fuzzy and dependent on which part of the world you are considering.
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Nominator's rationale:merge or reverse merge,
Right-wing terrorism is also referred to as hard right terrorism, extreme right terrorism or far-right terrorism. Regardless the merge direction, I think the parent category should become
Category:Far-right politics.
Marcocapelle (
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Support: Right-wing terrorism is the main article for both, and the terms are essentially interchangeable. Terrorism is naturally extremist and at the "far" end of the political spectrum, so this part is implied in the base term of "right-wing terrorism". Agree with having
Category:Far-right politics as the parent.
Iskandar323 (
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Merge and overwrite new page at target name. –
FayenaticLondon 06:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Italic archaeological cultures
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NONDEFININGWP:ARBITRARYCATWP:NPOVWP:OR. The question whether these archaeological cultures were "Italic", "Etruscan", "Celtic" a mix or something else is hotly contested, and many articles say so explicitly.
Apennine culture states: In the 19th and early 20th centuries various theorists made various imputations of ethnicity concerning the Apennine culture. In the 20th century, the Italian scholar,
Massimo Pallottino, who specialized in
Etruscan civilization, rejected them as oversimple. At least with reference to Italy, he discarded
Kossinna's Law, which states languages and ethnic groups are to be identified with archaeological groups. Therefore, Pallottino argued that terms such as "the Terramare culture" or "the Apennine culture" have no ethnic or linguistic significance. We also don't know whether the
Venetic language was Italic, Celtic or something else. Even if we associate the
Este culture with the
Adriatic Veneti, we are no closer to saying whether it was "Italic". We shouldn't be categorising items by language family if we've got nothing but archaeological findings that point to multiple possibilities, which are explicitly admitted; that would be Wikipedia taking a POV on a contested issue. All items and subcategories are already in
Category:Archaeological cultures in Italy, so no merger is needed. Follow-up to precedents named in
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic dynasties and countries, as well as
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 2#Category:Archaeological cultures by ethnic group.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Delete, if only because it is not a defining characteristic.
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Alt proposal 1 rationale: We could also make
Category:People by occupation and country (currently its sibling) its parent and instead make clear that this tree is about what jobs Christians do/did in countries other than the country of their nationality. This would avoid misunderstandings about what the tree is for. So a subcategory like
Category:Christians in Peru could be renamed to
Category:Christians by occupation in Peru. Note that the occupation in question must be an ecclesiastical one. We're not interested in, say, expatriate golfers living in Peru who also just so happen to be Christians; that would be
WP:NONDEFINING. But for missionaries and bishops, their Christian religion does define their job. Cheers,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Support renaming to
Category:Christians by country per Sports coaches by country of work precedent. As you say, all members carry out their work in those countries which is often not the country of their birth. Missionary activity is more akin to carrying out "the Lord's work" than an occupation (i.e. paid employment).
Laurel Lodged (
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That actually makes a lot of sense. I didn't know that category tree existed, but it's better than the two options I proposed. Edit: added Alt proposal 2 as an option to the nom.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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If we want that category to be about subjects of the Roman emperor instead of people who were just residing in the Empire and doing their jobs as missionaries or bishops, then we should rename it to
Category:Christians from the Roman Empire per parent
Category:People from the Roman Empire. I think that would be a better solution. I don't think there were lots of Christian missionaries coming from outside the boundaries of the Empire to convert Roman subjects to a religion which was generally banned and occasionally but not systematically persecuted.
Christianity emerged inside the Empire itself, amongst the Empire's Judean and Galilean subjects. The earliest Christian missionaries were apostles like Paul of Tarsus, living inside the Roman Empire (in his case as a citizen in
Cilicia (Roman province), but most others in Galilee and Palestine probably were Roman subjects without Roman citizenship). The only place outside the Empire where I could imagine Christian missionaries to come from and convert Roman subjects would be
Osrhoene or something, but I'm not counting on it. We better just change in to from, and take it out of this "people by country of work" tree.
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Category:Olympic coaches by country
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Category:Ukrainian culture by ethnicity
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Category:Celtic ethnic groups
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Support I was not entirely convinced by the rationale in the above discussions but we now have 4 solid precedents so let's just go with it.
Laurel Lodged (
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Delete per nom. No objection to the category in principle, but the current content is very inaccurate.
Marcocapelle (
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Any articles that would qualify for this are probably better placed in
Category:Historical Celtic peoples. Anything else is
Celts (modern), and is essentially the sum of all individuals who self-identify as Celts, but not really an "ethnic group". E.g. Dutch band
Rapalje singing in Dutch and English is grouped as "
Celtic music", but it has nothing to do with the
Celtic languages.
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Category:Modern Indo-European peoples
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Nominator's rationale: This is an insubstantial category with fewer than five categorized entries.
Iskandar323 (
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Size is not the issue here. The category may easily be populated with dozens of similar articles. The question is whether the category is desirable or not. This must have been discussed at length in a distant past.Marcocapelle (
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Only now I see the point of the category, this is about acts by Israeli citizens of Arab ethnicity. Would it nevertheless be an option to merge the category to
Category:Palestinian political violence rather than plain deletion?
Marcocapelle (
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Since they are both individual incidents, the material most directly corresponds to
Category:Terrorist attacks carried out by Arab citizens of Israel, where one is already listed, so if a merge anywhere is preferable for procedural reasons then the best target for the merger would be to there.
Iskandar323 (
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Yes, that is the better merge target.
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Category:Health and disability rights organizations in the United Kingdom
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Merge per nom. Something like "geologic history" would perhaps have made sense, but not "geographic history".
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Category:Springfield College (Massachusetts)
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Category:Non-binary people by occupation
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Nominator's rationale: Only has one category in it, that could easily fit into Indian non-binary people, etc.
Mason (
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Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each.
Marcocapelle (
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Upmerge for now without prejudice against recreation (WPAR).
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