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Category:Botanical collectors active in Australia
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Nominator's rationale: No obvious difference. No other categories of "Botanical collectors active in ...."
Rathfelder (
talk) 14:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. For a person who is interested in Australian botanical history, there's an "obvious difference". I don't see how deleting this improves the encyclopedia. It seems that creating more such "Botanical collectors active in..." categories would.
Hesperian 00:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Can you please explain the difference? Its not obvious to me.
Rathfelder (
talk) 14:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Maybe first you can clarify what you meant by "no obvious difference" -- no obvious difference between what and what?
Hesperian 23:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Plant collecting can also be done as a hobby. It seems some of the people in this category were hobbyists.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 03:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Australia should not be treated differently, the discussion rather is whether Botanical collectors or Plant collectors categories should be started in other countries too, or whether the merge should go ahead as nominated. Both viewpoints have their merits. If merged, at least leave a comment on the category page that the category includes non-professional botanical collectors.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
In botany there doesnt seem to be a big difference between amateurs and professionals. Plenty of people clearly started as amateur plant collectors and then went on to publish scientific papers. And most botanists collected plants. This is not defining.
Rathfelder (
talk) 22:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The articles must not be merged. The difference is not amateurs versus professionals. Collecting is a different task from identifying and classifying (tasks which make someone a botanist). Those who identify, classify and write articles about the plants they identify, classify and do taxonomy on, are botanists (whether paid or unpaid, amateur or professional). And while many (if not most) botanists collect, the converse is not true. (Many of
Ferdinand von Mueller's collectors in Australia were settlers,who sent him their specimens to be identified. They were certainly not botanists. See e.g.
Mary Ann McHard.
MargaretRDonald (
talk) 21:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose Merge Support Hesperians and Margaret Donald's assertions - to assert the observed behaviours of collectors and ascribing hobbyists as being coterminous with botanists is a strange correlation - also to collapse the status into professional/amateur distinction is simply wrong, as is nothing to do with not a big difference, the field of people involved in the two different occupations is not as simple as asserted above. Merging is simply showing a clear misunderstanding of the distinctions between the two occupations.
JarrahTree 13:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose, same reasons as Margaret, collecting and classifying are two completely different tasks.
Hughesdarren (
talk) 06:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)reply
So do we take the articles about botanists out of this category? There wont be many left.
Rathfelder (
talk) 15:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)reply
If I understand the above discussion correctly, botanists should only be purged when they were not also a collector.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Miss Thailand
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Nominator's rationale: Redundant to
Category:Miss Thailand winners. There's only one main article (
Miss Thailand) that warrants being in the intermediate category, which can be linked via catmain template instead. (If consensus is against deletion, then purge of all biographies.)
Paul_012 (
talk) 14:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)reply
SupportMiss Thailand will make an appropriate main article for the other. The bios (my sample was all stubs) in this category belong in the winners category. I think this probably needs to be an exception to OCAWARDS as the women are probably notable for nothing else.
Peterkingiron (
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Nominator's rationale: Contains only a redirect.
User:Namiba 11:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Indian Freedom Fighters
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Category:Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory people
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