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Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate user category. While the Taliban are pretty universally considered bad, this does not improve the editing environment.
Elli (
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Wait@
Elli: Your are right if you mean Al-Qaida, Bokoharam, IS and the others, But about Taliban actually they are not "universally considered bad". They are supported locally, regionally and manybe globally by their friends, and there is an ognoing war there,
War in Afghanistan. And also there is
Afghan peace process toodays, making peace with terrorists started by Trump. lets make it into our projects, Just look at
File:Flag of Taliban with X-Mark.jpg nomination for deletion So, i am stating my view on this in my userpage, What is wrong? There is many userpage templates to express religious or political way, in a very very genrally words and very theorically, like this user is atheist, this user is democrat. But i want clearly state something. And being anti-taliban is a basement in my social life. no matter if i am Afghan or not. --
Ruwaym (
talk) 11:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Ruwaym: stating your position here on your userpage is probably fine, but a category for it is not.
Elli (
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@
Elli: I thought its about the template! Sorry for confusing. --
Ruwaym (
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@
Ruwaym: no worries. I do think it would make more sense to move the template to your user namespace instead of the general template-space - as userboxes advocating opinions usually are - but that's not something I care much about doing.
Elli (
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Delete per nom. --
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Category:Persian astrologers
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Support Redundant category layer, which contains only the proposed merge target. –
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Support per nom. --
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Category:Latvian political party shortname templates
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Nominator's rationale: Same topic, overall naming scheme just uses the country, not the demonym.
Elli (
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Merge per nominator. Convincing reasons. --
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Diplomatic visits by national leaders
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The result of the discussion was:purge/clean up; no consensus to merge.–
FayenaticLondon 07:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:WP:OVERLAPCAT. There is considerable overlap and misplacement between these two categories. Much of the content is duplicated, as it cannot probably be easily differentiated between the two functions (
1,
2 etc.), but there are also several entries in the heads of government categories that are clearly about presidents or heads of state (
1,
2,
3 etc.) or vice versa (
1). It will be more practical to have a merged category.
Place Clichy (
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These categories seem to be organized by the personality of the diplomatic visitor, hence the singular. Other possible titles could be Diplomatic visits by visitor or Diplomatic visits by individual, as in parent
Category:Categories by individual. I could live with the plural though. Also note that
Category:Diplomatic visits by visitor nationality is also overlapping much of the content. We could either merge it as well (in which case the plural in national leaders would be justified), or keep it separate and move all non-individual content there (e.g. categories and lists of state visits by Fooian leaders).
Place Clichy (
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Support (with plural suggested by Good Ol'factory). The whole category seems a bit of a mess, from
Category:Diplomatic visits down. Lots of duplication and things in the wrong place. //
Lollipoplollipoplollipop::
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Strongly oppose As it is now it is unambigious! In the UK the queen is head of state, Johnson is PM. Even in France it is clear, president Macron is not to be confused with the head of government. Only the US are an exception: no premier minister. OTOH "national leader" is a very ambigious term. It's not even made sure that only the heads of state are meant; in Russia or Iran the national leader of religion could be meant?! The Vatican is sort of a state but not a nation - no national leader at all. -- If there are indeed any misplacements as the nominator says purge them! --
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Category:1894 establishments in Nigeria
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Nominator's rationale This is a clear example of anachronistic trying to impose boundaries invented at a later date on the past. Nigeria is known to many as the "mistake of 1914" although sometimes the year I believe is actually 1908 when the plans to unify the northern and southern Nigeria protectorates was put in place. The Southern Nigeria Protectorate was formed in 1900, but Lagos Colony remained a seperate place until 1906. The only contents that this category has ever had are curretnly correctly placed in
Category:1894 establishments in Lagos Colony. Lagos Colony was a distinct place from the domains of the
Royal Niger Company. Having this category implies that there is some inherent unity to the lands that make up Nigeria. This is an idea that is hotly debated and contested even to the present, and to try and claim it as applying when Nigeria was multiple polities that in no way say themselves as a coherent grouping is just plain false. This is an extreme of historically anachronistic and inaccurate categorization that should not be done. We should categorize by either coherent political units of the time, or coherent and with contemporary recogniztion social-cultural units of the time. There is no such unit that would in 1894 consider Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, and many other ethnic groupings, some in tribal societies and some in complex states linked to the
Sokoto Caliphate to be one unified social-cultrual zone that we could call "Nigeria". especially one that would limit itself in any way to anything like the modern boundaries. The Lagos Colony is a clearly defined place, Nigeria is not at this year and there is no reason to have a category for it. The lands controlled by the
Royal Niger Company may or may not in this year form a unit, and it may or may not make sense to call them "Nigeria", I would say that using that name for those lands would be at best misleading. However since the actual articles we have relate to
Lagos Colony, and Lagos Colony was clearly not under the Royal Niger Company, even if in principal we would accept this category for the Royal Nigeria Company territory, we hav no contents for this year in that territory and so as applied we should delete this category.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 14:15, 23 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. It would not be practical to have separate chronology structures for Nigeria and the Lagos Colony.
Place Clichy (
talk) 16:04, 23 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Yet it is practical to have one for the undefined non-bordered Ukraine in the 19th century? Your arguments make no sense at all, and you clearly do not believe in maintaining reasonable sized categories in all cases.
John Pack Lambert (
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We already have a cateogry for the Lagos Colony. We have all sorts of category structures for various places, because we categorize things by where they were established when they were established, not by where it is now.
John Pack Lambert (
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Wikipedia is neither a reliable source nor does it have a grandfather clause so when categories were created is not relevant.12:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC) — Preceding
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Johnpacklambert, it was relevant to the comment that "we already have a category for the Lagos Colony". This comment can be interpreted as suggesting that the Nigeria one was created after the Lagos Colony one. It is also relevant to "we categorize things by where they were established, not by where it is now". Apparently "we" had categorized this thing in a Nigeria category long before we did so for Lagos Colony.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 01:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete As anachronistic. Retroactively applying the current country that has had multiple borders is unlikely to aid navigation. -
RevelationDirect (
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Support There was no Nigeria in the 19th century. The Lagos Colony categories are adequate. @
Johnpacklambert: please calm down. Your current manners are not winning you friends.
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Category:Wikipedians who like Mass Effect
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To be honest, I missed that entire tree when nominating this category (due to this one being created with no parent categories) and probably wouldn't have started this nomination if I had found it. I would support deletion of many of the subcategories of
Category:Wikipedians interested in video games that use the term "like" for the same reason. So, in short, nothing, other than you having revealed that other bad categories exist.
* Pppery *it has begun... 23:17, 26 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Pppery Could you point out why this category was nominated for deletion besides revealing that you hate "like" in the title, and my noob mistake of not adding a parent category to it?
Jimydog000 (
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When does the page get deleted? I see that there are four other user accounts agreeing on it's deletion.
Jimydog000 (
talk) 08:05, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom; unhelpful user cat.
Elli (
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Delete per nom. --
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Nominator's rationale: Category created in 2009 and has no video files in it. The one template is already in the template categories.
Gonnym (
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Comment Category has been emptied. LizRead!Talk! 14:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Obviously obsolete. --
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Subcategories of Category:Paintings by collection
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Nominator's rationale: These are categories I left out of
this earlier nomination by accident. The outcome of that nomination was that categories beginning "Paintings of" were moved to "Paintings in the collection of" because of the ambiguity of the first phrase; e.g. Paintings of Versailles could be read as meaning paintings depicting the palace (or the gardens, or even the city) of Versailles, rather than paintings within the palace. For good measure I've also added the sole example of "Paintings in the collections of", plural, so that it's not an exception to this scheme.
Ham II (
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Support per earlier discussion.
Grutness...wha? 15:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per nom.
Aza24 (
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Rename all per nom. Convincing. --
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Category:Lambrakis Democratic Youth
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Nominator's rationale:merge as a redundant category layer, containing just one subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge for Now Doesn't currently aid navigation, but no objection to recreating if it ever reaches 5+ direct articles. -
RevelationDirect (
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Merge per nom. Unnecessary redundant category layer. --
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Category:Independent Colleges of Southern California
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Keep "The Independent Colleges of Southern California is an association that secures "money and other resources" for its seventeen member institutions." Representation of interests for 17 colleges! 'Id call that DEFINING! --~ — Preceding
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Delete, most articles in the category do not even mention it.
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Category:Maltese merchants
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Oppose - no doubt Rathfelder wishes to rename the 'Merchant of Venice' as well.
These edits should be undone. I think T S Eliot had a 'Smyrna merchant' too, Mr. Eugenides to be precise. (Businesspeople is much wider than merchant.)
Oculi (
talk) 09:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)reply
The merchant categories are largely medieval.
Vincenzo Borg, the only article here, is not actually notable for being a merchant, but because of his activity as a rebel leader.
Rathfelder (
talk) 20:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Good Ol’factory(talk) 01:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:SMALLCAT. Generally, merchant was a notable occupation especially in the Middle Ages and Early Modern era, so diffusion by modern nationalities is not too meaningful.
Marcocapelle (
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Support I'd be open to keeping a small cat for Malta if this person was clearly defined as a merchant specifically. He was in the modern period and was defined by his military role, but with a background in the cotton industry. -
RevelationDirect (
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Merge per nom. Businesspeople is functionally just another name for the old, obsolete 'merchant'. --
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Category:IATA members
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The
International Air Transport Association is an industry
trade association representing airlines and it is so dominant that it represents 82% of the world's total
available seat miles, with the exceptions typically being domestic carriers. That main article discusses the organization's dominance in the industry and how it has often been accused of anti-competitive price fixing and being a cartel. The "former" subcategory is not for airlines that left the association--that's not really a thing--but for members that went out of business since the IATA was founded in 1945. Normally I suggest listification but the the 500+ articles here significantly overlap with
Category:Airlines. -
RevelationDirect (
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Background We previously deleted categories for companies industry trade associations
here,
here,
here, and
here. -
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Category:Critics of Planned Parenthood
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All 3 of the biography articles in this category are American anti-abortion activists who are already categorized under
Category:American anti-abortion activists. They're in this category because they entered
Planned Parenthood clinics and secretly recorded conversations and then released them as part of their activism which feels like a performance category. (There is a 4th article,
LifeSiteNews, which doesn't mention this organization but is already under
Category:Anti-abortion organizations in Canada.) -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete We do not want to start categorizing people by what they critize. Most of these people will be under pro-life categories. If they are not pro-life, and critize Planned Parenthood for not disavowing the racists motives and views of its founder, or other structural practices and issues related to the organization, I am less than convinced that this is defining. People can critize lots of things. Even if they publish am major work doing so, this is not always going to be truly defining. If it is worth mentioning in the article we can do it there, but there is no reason to group together people as a group for critizing a specific organization.
John Pack Lambert (
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Comment Aren't it even more extremist political activists than the anti-abortion partisans? This faction of the wild-eyed radicals does not even concede parents the least autonomy rights. This is definitely DEFINING! OTOH it seems not correct to name terroristic activists as mere critics. --
Just N. (
talk) 14:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OPINIONCAT. Should any of these people be guilty of criminal offenses (terrorism?) then we have other categories for that.
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Category:Famous dogs
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Support. If the current category was actually moved from that name, wouldn't the new category and the merge be speediable?
Grutness...wha? 01:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Upmerge & delete - "famous" is completely subjective, per the nom if they're notable enough for their own page they likely have a degree of fame.
Cavalryman (
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Merge per nom. --
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Category:The Translators Memorial Monument
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Nominator's rationale: This category presumably is categorizing people who are honoured by the monument. There is no scheme for categorizing people in this way, and being honoured in a particular monument is not
defining. Note that there is not even an article
Translators Memorial Monument, so it's difficult to assess whether or not this is even notable.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. They can be listed in the monument article if and when such is made. For now, they're all listed
here (under the correct name of Bible Translators' Memorial.
Grutness...wha? 01:30, 23 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Also
WP:SMALLCAT - there'll never be any more than eight articles in this.
Grutness...wha? 03:44, 26 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete.per nom. --
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