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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 18:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:C2C, especially after the discussion of October 20.
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Category:Teens' entertainment
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MER-C 18:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: All of the subcategories use "Teen" as the adjective. See related recent discussion
here.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 22:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Benee
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 18:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per numerous precedent and
WP:OCEPON, unnecessary eponymous category with only two subcats that are already interlinked. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, I wonder if we shouldn't set up a Speedy process exactly for this type of configuration.
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Category:Athena games
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Category:XBIZ Award winners
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Nominator's rationale: Please see
WP:OCAWARD. The AVN one was listified and deleted in 2008 following
this discussion (then recreated in 2015). Cheers,
gnu57 17:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete both per
WP:OCAWARD. Re-listify at editors' discretion. Porn awards are not defining characteristics of notable porn topics. Winning an Academy Award gets coverage by independent reliable sources. Independent reliable sources note its significance to a film-related subject. Winning "The Oscars of Porn" generally doesn't get RS attention for an actor, filmmaker or a film, despite the tag line.
• Gene93k (
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"Oscars of Porn" a tag line, like "The Greatest Show on Earth!" The assertion doesn't reach the winners of the award. Winning an AVN or XBIZ Award is not even considered evidence of notability any more. With few exceptions, awards does not generate significant independent RS coverage for the win or the winners.
• Gene93k (
talk) 23:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I am going to agree with this. Mainstream reliable sources often introduce someone in pornography as an AVN winner as context of their importance in the industry. See
[1][2][3]Morbidthoughts (
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It seems like every award is the "Oscars of..." or "equivalent of the Baseball Hall of Fame." It's not a lie exactly but it's aspirational. No one says the Nobel Peace Prize is the Olympic medal of peace prizes.
RevelationDirect (
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Delete XBIZ/Keep but Purge AVN XBIZ doesn't come within a country mile of being defining. But, clicking through these articles, AVN does seem defining to the actors. (The AVN does not seem defining to the movie articles though, so I would purge them.) Even though I think the vast majority of existing award categories fall run afoul of
WP:OCAWARD, this is a rare exception where the top award in the field is defining.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 02:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Even though I assume I'm the oldest Wikipedian in most discussions, I'm not mature enough for the
Octomom Home Alone article.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 02:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, I checked a number of articles in
Category:AVN Award winners and it does not consistently come up as a defining characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Listify (if necessary) and delete -- The academy awards ("oscars") and Nobel Prizes are exceptions to the general OCAWARD rule. I have been voting (often successfully) against "Hall of Fame" categories where there is no physical museum. Lists do the job much better, as they can tabulate the date and a brief citation. If this was a category of award articles, my vote would be different, but it is not.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep AVN Award winners as it is a defining characteristic for those notable in the pornographic industry. Neutral in regard to XBIZ Award winners. —
Godsy (
TALKCONT) 04:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep the AVN Award category per those above. No opinion on the XBIZ Awards.
BD2412T 22:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete both. If the awards can no longer be used to establish notability, then...no, neither are career-defining. As it has been stated in Afds, porn is an industry of circular congratulatory maneuvers to advertise themselves to the public. When it is said in the media that AVN is "the Oscars of porn", it is said with tongue firmly in cheek, if not elsewhere...
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Category:People who died in office
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename, but there seems to also be a consensus that
Category:Politicians who died in office should be created as a subcategory. I'm not doing that with this close; any interested party can do so.Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:18, 20 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Judging by the contents and description of the category, it refers to politicians who died while holding an elected office. While I am not sure if this is
defining, the title needs clarification if kept.
User:Namiba 15:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Dying in office of plain sickness is not very defining but we should probably discuss deletion in conjunction with its subcategories. Not sure of the rename either, how do we know if the category meanwhile does not contain a few judges, civil servants, clergy as well? I suppose the proper procedure would be to create a subcategory for politicians.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 17:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Should that be included, as federal judges have no set terms? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
73.110.217.186 (
talk) 23:13, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
It should still be included, as most federal judges retire before they die.
BD2412T 19:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep but Containerise and purge -- This appears to be such an enormous category that it will be useless as a navigation tool. There is no reason to rename. The head note excludes monarchs and popes who automatically hold office for life, but in most professions it is now normal for people to retire. Formerly it did not, so that judges, bishops, archbishops, and many other office holders held office until they died, despite holding office "during pleasure" or "during good behaviour".
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment what is "in office" mean? Monarchs, US federal judges, Popes, generally have lifetime "offices", so it's not particularly notable for the biographies of
Edward VII of the United Kingdom or
Pope John Paul II or
Ruth Bader Ginsburg that they died in office. Is being the host of Jeopardy "in office" or being on a current team roster "in office" or is "in office" mean only a government position? The pope being head of state of Vatican City would qualify, but would the Archbishop of Canterbury or Eastern Patriarchs? (again, dying in such position whether termed "office" or not is not unusual over the long history of them. Dying before retirement is not particularly notable; it's a common ending for the less well-to-do and workaholics. So how are these notable categories?
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 22:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Retirement is a fairly modern idea. Surely until the 20th century dying in office was pretty normal for many offices? All the Roman Emperors, pretty well all monarchs everywhere even now ....
Rathfelder (
talk) 21:59, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The category is mostly used for people who were elected for a certain term.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The description specifically says "It should not contain offices where the normal term limit is life (monarchs, popes, etc.)." — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
73.110.217.186 (
talk) 23:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)reply
It's not defining for many and certainly not for those. It's probably not defining for many minor politicians (mayors, members of parliament, school board members).
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 19:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep and make
Category:Politicians who died in office a subcategory, per
Dimadick; purge monarchs and other holders of lifetime offices from which resignation or retirement is unusual. Note that judges (1) are not necessarily "politicians", and should be kept separate from politicians if unelected, and (2) can and do resign or retire, and should be considered to have died "in office" if none of those circumstances are present.
BD2412T 18:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Note: I have created
Category:Judges who died in office. Going through my own articles on judges, it is looking like about one in six. If the number is large enough, I will subcategorize further.
BD2412T 19:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Pollinator decline
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 18:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Of the articles in the category only the eponymous article is specifically about pollinator decline. The articles are all in other suitable categories. Note: The category text ("Articles related to pollinator decline, particularly in bees.") and that it was created without any parents suggests a mis-understanding of wp categorization. DexDor(talk) 12:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Musicians from Amarillo, Texas
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Nominator's rationale: Too few articles: no need to drill down to a three-person by city category. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
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M☯ 07:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep For US cities the size of Amarillo, there are almost guaranteed to be a fair number of articles on musicians. I found 4 more while examining
Category:People from Amarillo, Texas with names between A and J.--
User:Namiba 15:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Now decently-sized. There probably still is scope for expansion.
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Category:Recipients of the Malaysian Service Medal
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 19:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The
Malaysian Service Medal is automatically given to all soldiers who served 6 months or longer in one of three military campaigns. We generally avoid categorizing by
campaign medals because it creates clutter for career officers. While a lot of soldiers must have received this award, the category only contains eight articles of which five actually mention the medal so I listified those
here in the main article. -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete -- This is a campaign star that came up with the rations. No list needed.
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Category:Chevening Scholars
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 19:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Each year, the
British Foreign Office issues scholarships for foreign students to study in the UK and, according to the
Chevening Scholarship article, the programme started in 1983 and has given funds to over 50,000 students. Within the articles, the award doesn't seem defining and usually gets a passing reference in the education section. And these articles are already in the alumni category for whichever university this scholarship paid for. The contents are already listified
here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
RevelationDirect (
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Background We previously deleted other categories for college scholarship recipients
here,
here,
here and
here. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, not a defining characteristic and rather trivial.
Marcocapelle (
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Listify and delete -- This is a scholarship to enable foreign students to study in UK. As such it is hardly defining. However I would not want to do a plain delete.
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Category:Hasan ibn Ali
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Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:OCEPON, only one other article next to the eponymous article. The two articles are already interlinked directly.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)reply
It is well possible to have a template without an eponymous category.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
MER-C 10:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per OCEPON. An eponymous category for a person is not needed unless the person is such a large topic that there are several articles specifically about them (e.g. a "Death of ..." article) - not articles related to them. DexDor(talk) 07:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete - per nom. 2 articles, one rather tenuous, no subcats.
Oculi (
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Delete I don't hold the article count for eponymous category to a higher standard, but I do hold them to my usual of 5 articles. This might be two.
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