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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. bibliomaniac15 04:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment -- I am not sure the nom (and main article) are right. EM appears to stand for Early Maker and Lyon (eng. Lyons) is a French city, where it was founded. The logo puts em and lton on separate lines, so that it may not be one word. I not the web address is em-lyon, not emlyon, I suspect it is the main article that needs renaming!
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Category:House of Milan
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: per
WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous
House of Milan and one other article. The head article links to no existing pages which could be added to the category.
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North Burnett Region smallcats
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Nominator's rationale: per
WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these categories for a small place in the
North Burnett Region of Queensland are are tiny, with little chance of expansion. They all currently contain 2 or 3 pages: the head article plus one or two others. I haven't found any other articles to expand the categories.
As with many New South Wales locations, category creation seems to have been a bit indiscriminate. --
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Category:5th-century Kings of the Romans
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The result of the discussion was:delete. bibliomaniac15 06:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It is apparent from the main article that it is a case of
WP:SHAREDNAME, the article even starts with "This article is about the title in the Holy Roman Empire.". Moreover the 5th-century Roman king title of
Syagrius is controversial and the common name of that kingdom is
Kingdom of Soissons.
Marcocapelle (
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By convention of later historiography. The article notes that contemporary accounts mentions it as "Kingdom of the Romans".
Dimadick (
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Yes, again, that is a matter of
WP:SHAREDNAME. There is a gap of 500 years and neither the territory nor the circumstances are similar in any way.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete. Single-article category that is impossible to expand.
DrKay (
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Delete -- No need to merge as the one person is in target already. He was a Roman and a king in part of Gaul as the Roman Empire collapsed, but there is no scope for populating such a category better.
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Category:Hoaxes by year
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The result of the discussion was:keep. bibliomaniac15 06:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: We have
Category:Hoaxes by century. If we are going to split up modern hoaxes into subcategories, those should be arranged under
Category:20th-century hoaxes and
Category:21st-century hoaxes. I propose deleting at least one of the two categories above, either leaving the by-year categories directly under the century categories, or dividing the last two century categories up into by-decade subcategories with the by-year categories under them.
Srleffler (
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Strong oppose. These are container categories, which should exist so long as there are categories to populate them.
If
Srleffler wants to delete or merge any of the by-year or-by-decade categories, they should nominate each of the relevant categories. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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Container categories are fine, but the organization of them should make sense. Right now,
Category:Hoaxes contains all three of
Category:Hoaxes by century,
Category:Hoaxes by decade, and
Category:Hoaxes by year. That doesn't make sense. The top-level category should contain only the "by century" container. The existing "by decade" category can't be moved down into "by century" though, because it spans two centuries.
Category:20th-century hoaxes already contains subcategories by decade, and
Category:21st-century hoaxes contains subcategories by year and by decade (I'll probably fix that). The two categories I've nominated are kind of misnamed, they are really "Recent hoaxes by decade/year".
Category:Hoaxes by decade only goes back to the 1990s.--
Srleffler (
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Not so, @
Srleffler. The current organisation makes sense. Your proposal would remove that sense.
There are thousands of foo-by-year container categories, and no reason why this set should be the exception.
Hundreds of topics have by-year, by-decade, and by-century categories as siblings. Sometimes in topic category, sometimes grouped in a top-by-time category.
Given that your ideas of organising the categories breach convention and logic, it would be much more helpful if you would refrain from any "fix". --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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Delete any or all of these - a category scheme gone mad. But as Bhg says, we should start from the bottom & work up. Like most "by year" categories, these just serve to make finding things more difficult rather than easier. You won't find anything unless you know the exact year or are prepared to try several. I'm almost always ready to support deletion of very thinly-populated "by year" schemes btw, just give me a ping.
Johnbod (
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I did not propose deletion of the individual by-year categories, but I'm open to that. They are very thinly populated, and as you say they just make finding things more difficult.--
Srleffler (
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Johnbod, there may be a case for deleting the "YYYY hoaxes" categories, but this nomination won't delete any of them. It will just make them harder to find, by deleting their container category. Please review your support for this nomination, because this ill-conceived proposal will make the "YYYY hoaxes" categories harder to navigate if kept, and also harder to find if anyone wants to delete them. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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(to both) - yes you should definitely nom the "by year" categories.
Johnbod (
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Close and start fresh other nomination, the intention behind this nomination is good but the execution of the nomination misses the point, per above comments.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose The current format makes navigation much easier than a century category on its own.
Dimadick (
talk) 07:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose - the set-up is exactly as it should be.
Oculi (
talk) 08:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Alternative solution -- For most years before 2000 there are not enough articles for viable annual categories. These should be merged into
Category:Hoaxes in 1980s etc. We should thus keep
Category:Hoaxes by decade and delete "hoaxes by year" and "hoaxes by century".
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron, that would require a new nomination. None of the "YYYY hoaxes" categories are listed in this nomination. This is just a perverse proposal to remove their container category. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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Oppose hoaxes occur, and like things that occur we sort them by year and decade, etc.
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Category:Interlopers
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 15:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Jamini Roy
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MER-C 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This is an eponymous category for the Indian painter
Jamini Roy. It contains only the head article and one fair-use images. Both pages are adequately categorised, so no need to merge.
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Category:Ararat Tehran players
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GiantSnowman 12:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Speedy support per CFDS C2D, match parent article.
GiantSnowman 12:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Jeremy Renner
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MER-C 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This is an eponymous category for the actor
Jeremy Renner. It contains only the head article and an image subcategory. Both pages are already adequately categorised.
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Category:Jerusalem Day
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The result of the discussion was:merge. bibliomaniac15 04:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Barys Astana players
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Nominator's rationale: The current category name "Barys Astana" is the former name of the ice hockey team
Barys Nur-Sultan, which was changed in 2019. The category name "Barys players" covers all players that have appeared for the club past and present.
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Category:Indian Unicorns
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The result of the discussion was:delete. bibliomaniac15 06:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The current name is not clear. The relevant article is
Unicorn (finance) but it would not be helpful to put "(finance)" into the category name as these are not finance companies. –
FayenaticLondon 10:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Alternatively, editors might support deletion since unicorn status may be temporary. There is a list at
List of unicorn startup companies with a sortable table by country. –
FayenaticLondon 10:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as non-defining (or rename per nom).
Marcocapelle (
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Delete unicorn today, bankrupt tomorrow. easy come easy go. A company's market capitalization at a particular point is not defining and the choice of the amount is purely subjective.
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Category:Children of Pharaoh's daughter
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The result of the discussion was:delete. bibliomaniac15 06:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the category and zero possibility for expansion. The category was nominated for speedy renaming - if the category is not deleted the renaming should go ahead.
Oppose - Ridiculous - a clear Delete per
WP:SMALLCAT & heaven knows what else.
Gonnym, do a proper CfD please.
Johnbod (
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I was fixing the name and not interested in doing anything else, especially not CfD. If you want to, do it. Don't make other people do it.
Gonnym (
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@
Johnbod, I have to agree with
Gonnym here. Create the deletion nomination if you want to, but otherwise let the renaming proceed. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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Delete per nomination, thanks for doing this, Marcocapelle. Silly category - we don't even know her name or identity, so no other children can be identified. I thought this category might be a joke until I saw who created it.
Johnbod (
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Delete More of Dimadick's cruft.
★Trekker (
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Delete per above.
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Merge, also because we do not have any other "Uranium in" categories. When related to a location, it is always about mining.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge, while its a complex topic between mining and political issues the available articles when consider one is already in both categories and the other is just about recent events,there definitely a lot more potential to expand this area. For now it makes sense to collate them in category.
Gnangarra 06:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge as not useful for navigation; both members do fit within the target. –
FayenaticLondon 11:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:TV listings
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The result of the discussion was:merge. bibliomaniac15 06:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Three articles now, but still a viable merge.
Grutness...wha? 04:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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