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Category:Magic: The Gathering players

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac 1 5 02:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Otherwise its not defining. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Rename a few of these folks are no doubt notable primarily for their Magic playing, but some like various (physical) sports folks its just a by-the-by. I think we went through this debate with bridge players a while back, but I couldn't find the debate. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 00:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Rename to create a clearer inclusion criteria. If it turns out to be inaccurate as more players become notable (for some other non-professional reason), I would support revisiting this discussion. Shooterwalker ( talk) 20:44, 28 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose on both technical and substantive grounds. Technically, there is no good reason for this category's naming to deviate from the rest of Category:Game players, which is not nominated. Substantively, while categorization should be defining, this is an instance better handled by common-sense application of WP:CATDEF instead of adding "professional" to the title of every activity-based category. For example, plenty of people sing, swim, and write, and yet we do not need to rename Category:Singers, Category:Swimmers, and Category:Writers to make explicit that non-professionals are excluded. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 21:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Grimdark

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 02:06, 6 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "Grimdark" is not a genre, its something someone calls a product which they find overly melodramatic. None of the pages in this category define themselves as "gramdark". Its a POV magnet. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wrong Turn films

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The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Wrong Turn (film series) is the main article of category. ★Trekker ( talk) 10:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Hindi horror films

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The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Need to maintain consistency with parent article Category:Hindi-language films. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Icterus

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The result of the discussion was: rename to option A. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:11, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming:
Option A
Option B
Nominator's rationale: The bare title Icterus is a disambiguation page, so some renaming is needed. The head article is New World oriole, and the scientific name Icterus (genus) redirects there. I am not sure which to use. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:BBC television comedy

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Category:Criticism of bad literature

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 02:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Additionally, Category:Literary criticism already exists. 1857a ( talk) 20:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Whale watching locations

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Category:Wikipedians who use AutoWikiBrowser

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Category:Décastar

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 11:48, 23 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Eponymous category for Décastar, an annual decathlon competition in France. It contains only two articles: Décastar and 2005 Décastar. The competition has been running for over 40 years, so it could in theory be expanded with an article on each year's competition ... but since even the French-language-Wikipedia article fr:Décastar links to no by-year articles, that seem unlikely. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Reply @ Sillyfolkboy: if and when those articles are translated are demonstrated to be notable, the category can readily be re-created. But there are huge translation backlogs, so it's unhelpful to keep the category indefinitely in the hope that someday some translater will pick these articles from the backlog. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:21, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Creating articles which belong at AFD merely to pad out a category is very unhelpful. It looks WP:POINTy. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • The first and second paragraph of WP:SMALLCAT are poorly aligned with each other. The second paragraph merely says "realistic potential for growth" which sounds a lot more realistic. Only with history categories one may be able to argue that they "by their very definition, will never have more than a few members" and I am sure that WP:SMALLCAT was not just intended for history categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:10, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ugandan Pastors

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ugandan clergy. – Fayenatic London 13:05, 23 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Capitalization. Fuddle ( talk) 15:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC) reply
I have checked articles. One is Pentecostal. The other two may be independent, one of them making accusations against Pentecostals, which makes me think they belong together in a separate sub-cat of clergy. Peterkingiron ( talk) 19:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Children of Moses

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 02:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two sons. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Dimadick: Categories must have a minimum number of articles, you really should know that by now because of all the deletions. ★Trekker ( talk) 13:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
"Note also that this criterion does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time. Also, subcategories of Category:Works by creator may be created even if they include only one page." Dimadick ( talk) 15:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Dimadick: How are mythological children of mythological people even remotly comparable to that? ★Trekker ( talk) 18:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
It points to the exceptions of the rule. Dimadick ( talk) 18:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Dimadick: Yeah those exceptions clearly don't apply here. ★Trekker ( talk) 18:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Dimadick:, this isn't a good example of SMALLCAT. I can't imagine that people would be using the "Children of X" category structure for most of the people in the Bible who had only one or two siblings/children, this is quite a different matter from (on the one hand) the dozens of children of Zeus, which aren't all linked to one another already, or (on the other hand) the place of Category:Operas by Ludwig van Beethoven in an "Operas by composer" and "Works by Beethoven" cat structure. Delete. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 03:33, 19 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Most people in the Bible do not have their own categories, so subcategories do not apply. Dimadick ( talk) 07:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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History of All-Palestine (Gaza)

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus Timrollpickering ( talk) 00:21, 14 September 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: rename/merge, Gaza Strip was the WP:COMMONNAME of the area. The All-Palestine Government was a government in exile, not factually exercising power in the Gaza Strip.
@ Gonnym, Place Clichy, and Peterkingiron: pinging contributors to this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Strong support -- Whatever its legal status, its de facto status 1953-67 was that it was ruled by Egypt. It seems doubtful whether in the period 1948-53 the All-Palestine government had much effective authority, as opposed to being an Egyptian puppet. There is however another argument: when polities are renamed, we do not have two categories, one for each name, but a single one with the name of the successor polity/state. The area has been a distinct polity since 1948 (with boundaries defined by a 1949 armistice). This became an occupied territory of Israel in 1967; and then one part of the Palestinian territories, separated from the rest by a large area of Israel. It follows that whatever categories are needed should be subcategories of Gaza Strip. Most of the categories do not have 5 articles (the usual minimum) and the content for the 1948 and 1949 ones seems heavily to overlap. The place for expressing that the strip was technically the territory of the All-Palestine government is in a headnote. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC) reply
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Yass Valley Council smallcats

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The result of the discussion was: delete since there is strong opposition to merger. I have instead added "See also" links between the pages so that navigation is still possible. If editors wish to add the articles into Category:Yass Valley Council after all, that is an outcome which would normally be considered correct. – Fayenatic London 13:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Propose merging:
2-page category
3-page categories
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Each of these categories for small places in the Yass Valley Council, New South Wales are are tiny, with little chance of expansion. They all currently contain 2 or 3 pages: the head article plus one or two others. I haven't found any other articles to expand the categories.
As with many other New South Wales locations, category creation seems to have been a bit indiscriminate. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
There's no point duplicating the discussion because Gnangarra is absolutely right. Deus et lex ( talk) 11:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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No, Deus et lex: Gnangarra is absolutely wrong on all counts.
  1. These are categories for tiny places, so they have little chance of expansion.
  2. There is no policy or guideline to support the notion that we should have an eponymous category for every local govt unit, regardless of how little content exists to populate it
  3. In each case, both the category and the head article are already in the target Category:Yass Valley Council. So it's daft to object to merging to a category which the pages are already in.
It's pity that the passion of a few Australian editors isn't matched by attention to the facts. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:30, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • The simple fact is they are two different entities, items being merged are not related to the Local Government Authority. Gnan garra 03:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    That's a straw man: nobody claims that they are directly related to the Local Government Authority. The simple fact which Gnangarra can't or won't grasp is that Category:Yass Valley Council is not a category solely for the functions of the LGA. If that was the case, it would not contain only one page (the head article Yass Valley Council), because all the towns would be purged. The Category:Yass Valley Council is a geographical category which contains all the topics within its area, including the topics currently in subcats ... so merging presents no scope issues. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    Yass Valley council as the Local Government is responsible for administration that includes town areas, its planning, some facilities, and other activities so the town is part of the Councils scope. With in each town there are facilities, people, events that are created by third parties. The Goodradigbee Shire once included the town of Wee Jasper, the Yass Valley Council currently includes a number places that were once part of other Local Government Authorities these town have other relationships to other Local Government Authorities. The Yass Valley Council didnt exist until 1980 where as these towns existed long before that, since then there have been a number of boundary changes to the YVC but the towns have always stayed in the same place being moved from one LGA to next as whim of the NSW State Government chooses, such changes will continue into the future. One is fix entity the other is variable entity the connection to fixed places are just a fleeting moment in time. Facilities in a town may exist under one LGA but not under another. Gnan garra 02:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    Mostly true, Gnangarra, but all irrelevant. We categorise by current administrative geography, not by former local authorities. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:38, 29 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    All true, we categorise by whatever subject an article is related to, whether its former or current is irrelevant. A [ https://trove.nla.gov.au/search?keyword=Wee%20Jasper search] of Trove shows that theres just 17,783 items within its collection related to Wee Jasper. Theres more articles to be written. Gnan garra 07:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    Not true. See my longer comment below, but here I will just brief note two flaws
    1. Gnangarra's search is malformed. A search for the phrase "Wee Jasper" — https://trove.nla.gov.au/?keyword=%22Wee%20Jasper%22 — gives on ~9,000 hits
    2. A mention of "Wee Jasper" does not establish either than the topic is WP:Notable, or that Wee Jasper is a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the topic.
    It's ridiculous that this discussion of 3 tiny categories has been bulked out to such lengths by Gnangarra's tactics of spewing out so many falsifiable assertions. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:58, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Merge - these are tiny places, all with fewer than 1000 residents. Oculi ( talk) 07:56, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    fewer than a 1000 residents doesnt change the fact that these places have notable people, places, relationships and events. Gnan garra 03:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    Gnangarra continues to miss the very simple point that these small places are unlikely to have enough people, places, relationships and events for an eponymous category to be anything other than a smallcat. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    because it not written yet doesnt mean it wont be. Almost 18,000 online citations plus an additional unknown number of paper sources thats just about subjects related to Wee Jasper. Gnan garra 07:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    looking at the first magazing article its show a poem by one JR Rowland, called the Children of Wee Jasper there is also John Rowland (diplomat) and poet who happened to have lived in the area of Wee Jasper. The link needs more stringent research to confirm the connection but its another potential category item. It would have no relationship with YVC Gnan garra 07:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    Sigh. The categories can be created if and when enough articles have been written. In the meantime, these remain smallcats which disrupt navigation.
Per WP:COPSEP, the convention is to categorise people in a "Category:People from FooPlace" category (if it exists), not in "Category:FooPlace" .. and per WP:COPPLACE, merely having lived in a place is not sufficient.
As to Gnangarra's claim that a search for the name indicates, Almost 18,000 online citations, that's more nonsense. First, Gnangarra's search is misconstructed, because it uses two words rather than a phrase. A search for the phrase "Wee Jasper" — https://trove.nla.gov.au/?keyword=%22Wee%20Jasper%22 — gives ~9,000 hits, not 18,000. And WP:GNG is not satisfied by passing mentions, so the number of mentions is a very poor guide to the number of notable topics where Wee Jasper is a WP:DEFINING characteristic.
The volume and variety of nonsense posted in this discussion by Gnangarra is highly disruptive. I am appalled that an editor can waste so much time in this way, all as a wheeze to evade two simple facts:
  1. that there aren't enough article to populate these categories, and are unlikely to be in the foreseeable future
  2. that there has been a spree of indiscriminate creation of geographical categories in NSW & Queensland, mostly by one editor, and Gnangarra is one of a small clique of Aussie editors whose only role has been to impede the cleanup of this disruptive creation spree by repeatedly ignoring both facts and categorisation guidelines.
There is a very simple solution to all this. Just delete the categories per WP:SMALLCAT ... and if at some future date there is enough content to populate them, then recreate them. Re-creation will take only a minute or two. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply
there is no right or wrong, we have a differing opinion of the relationships between towns and local government authorities. BHG see these same entity with the same relationships to other towns and LGA's. Where as I see them as two entities with each having their own unique connections that are independent of each other because one was defined in the 1980's under Legislation along subsequent changes and the other was founded in 1860's. Why delete today what will be recreated tomorrow. Gnan garra 07:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Nintendo (mass) media

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The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. bibliomaniac 1 5 02:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Covers same topic and causes confusion when adding category template onto an image as one suggests it and another links to it. I will also support a merge in the other direction. (Oinkers42) ( talk) 03:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
A mass renaming to "media files" sounds like a great idea. Much clearer.
@ Fayenatic. How about I do a mass nom for this set of 95 categories ? --- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs)
  • Having 'files' or perhaps 'images' in the category title would be an improvement indeed. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Thank you BrownHairedGirl – yes please!
    • As for "images": most of the categories hold only images, but some also include .ogg audio samples. Among the files using {{ media}}, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Chrono, & Square have multiple audio files; Professor Layton has 2; Resident Evil, Silent Hill and Super Mario each have only 1. It might or might not be useful to have an "images" hierarchy within "media files". – Fayenatic London 12:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Inverell, New South Wales

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The result of the discussion was: delete since there is strong opposition to merger. I have instead added "See also" links between the pages so that navigation is still possible. If editors wish to add the articles into Category:Inverell Shire after all, that is an outcome which would normally be considered correct. – Fayenatic London 13:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only the eponymous Inverell, New South Wales and two other articles. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 03:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Sibling Category:Myall Creek, New South Wales may be added in this nomination. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose there are significant difference between whats a component of the Town and whats a component of the Shire. Gnan garra 06:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    • @ Gnangarra, if you prefer the just delete the category, I wouldn't oppose that. But the category is too small to keep, so it needs to be either deleted or merged.
      And in any case I don't see how a topic can be part of the town but not part of the shire. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 06:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
      • @ BrownHairedGirl In Australia there are very distinct different concepts between what is the Town and what is a Local Government Authority. The Shire is a third tier government entity which covers a wide area of multiple places and activities. The Town is a specifically defined place that includes relationships that have no direct correlation to the activities of the Government authority. This also to many other towns you've nominated elsewhere. I suggest that rather than disjointed individual nominations it would be better to an RFC discussion through WP:AWNB where the depth of the issue can be resolved because all that will happen is these categories being recreated because of the conceptual and functional differences between the entities. Gnan garra 07:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
        • @ Gnangarra, you are making heavy going of this. This is a WP:SMALLCAT, so it needs to go. I have made two suggestions about what to do with it. Please make any other suggestions ... but we don't need an RFC about WP:SMALLCAT. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
          • @ BrownHairedGirl-- as per WP:SMALLCAT unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, I'm not trying to be or make it difficult. I'm saying these are two separate entities that have differing relations with each other and also flows to other category structures, Inverell is town, Shire of Inverell is a local government authority it is not a town. That applies to all Category:Towns in New South Wales, The shire is part of Category:Local government areas of New South Wales Local Government Authorities have many towns within, and cover areas that are thousands of km2. There are two different sets of statistical information from the Australian Bureau of Statistics as well as other state and federal agency having differing relationships. The fact someone inappropriately removed a category a couple of weeks ago [6] doesnt make this a reason to merge. Gnan garra 08:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
            • oh and RFC I suggested is about the structure of Australian Towns & Local Government Authority categories because they impact thousands of articles not smallcat. Gnan garra 08:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
              • @ Gnangarra, there is no "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" of a category for every tiny location on the map. Even in New South Wales, where there a dozens of these smallcats for places with tiny population (or even no population), most localities do not have an eponmyous category.
                And that word "accepted" is crucial. Most of these categories appear to be product of smallcat-creation spree by one editor. I see no evidence that there has even been an RFC or other duly-notified discussion establishing a consensus to make Australian micro-settlements an exception to WP:SMALLCAT, or to establish a category-for-every-name-on-the-map. If I have missed such a discussion, please link to it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    • I can't see the problem with the merge proposal. Since the entire town Inverell is in Inverell Shire, Inverell Post Office is also in Inverell Shire. Deletion seems a worse option to me. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Strong oppose per Gnangarra - the town and the council are different things and should not be merged. Deus et lex ( talk) 22:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Again, that is beside the point. Your oppose would make sense if this were about merging the articles about the town and the shire. But this discussion is about merging categories, and categories are about easy navigation from one article to related articles. That is a whole different thing. Since there are hardly any articles about the town, there is nothing to navigate to, if kept. The town category just hinders easy navigation to related articles about other things in the shire. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:03, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • and it denies navigation to articles related to the town which more people are likely to want to know. As before there more to a town than the Shire, with many things not related to shire taking place. Gnan garra 10:22, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Right, but if there is hardly anything to navigate to the navigation becomes pointless. Articles about the shire are the closest you can get. That is what WP:SMALLCAT is about. It has nothing to do with the undisputed fact that the town and the shire are different things. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:21, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Gnangarra is exactly right. I've learned recently that co-operation between editors is a really good thing, and just quoting policies at people will get you nowhere. Why not be helpful and try to find a compromise solution instead of just attacking everything he says? Deus et lex ( talk) 11:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • No, Deus et lex: Gnangarra is exactly wrong on all counts.
  1. These are categories for tiny places, so they have little chance of expansion.
  2. There is no policy or guideline to support the notion that we should have an eponymous category for every local govt unit, regardless of how little content exists to populate it
  3. Both the Category:Inverell, New South Wales and the head article Inverell, New South Wales are already in the target Category:Inverell Shire. So it's daft to object to merging to a category which the pages are already in.
It's a pity that the passion of a few Australian editors isn't matched by attention to the facts.
Given all that, Deus et lex's choice to berate me for allegedly not being helpful and co-operative is a deeply obnoxious form of trolling. We are here to build and encyclopedia based on reliable sources and policies/guidelines .... so denouncing me for sticking to facts and upholding policies/guidelines is WP:NOTHERE conduct. This is one of several similar discussions in which Deus et lex has chosen to engage in this sort of trolling, and it is disgracefully disruptive conduct. Please stop it and strike it.-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
there is no right or wrong, we have a differing opinion of the relationships between towns and local government authorities. BHG see these same entity with the same relationships to other towns and LGA's. Where as I see them as two entities with each having their own unique connections that are independent of each other because one was defined in the 1980's under Legislation along subsequent changes and the other was founded in 1860's. Gnan garra 07:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
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Japanese municipal councilors

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering ( talk) 19:14, 23 September 2020 (UTC) reply
Propose merging
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, very few articles in all of these categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I'd rather see most of these tiny cats being deleted - the merge targets only contain the sub-cats for the most part. Being the thing itself is not notable, so the only contents are people who later became members of the national Diet etc. Johnbod ( talk)
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MMORPGs

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The result of the discussion was: rename/upmerge. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: massively multiplayer online role-playing games/ MMORPG and the name of the parent cat. There is no need for this inconsistency. Speedy was opposed because evidently, I had the same idea a decade ago. @ Armbrust: ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 05:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Darren-M: We're all here; let's assess them now. Are there some you want to upmerge? RevelationDirect ( talk) 23:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
RevelationDirect Sports management (2P), text-based (1P), Historical (2P), Community-style (4P), Nautical (4P) are all candidates for deletion and up-merging, I think. Not averse to retaining them if we think they're likely to grow in future, but I'm not convinced the majority of them will grow to that point. Best, Darren-M talk 23:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Reed family

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The result of the discussion was: rename. The centralised discussion has not so far reached a consensus to outweigh the discussion here. – Fayenatic London 14:33, 24 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Disambiguation. The article Reed family is about a different family. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • True - and as I pointed out,t here are frequently achievements they probably wouldn't have achieved if not for their upbringing. Take an example. Richard Hadlee was one of the world's greatest cricketers. He played in the same international side as brothers Dayle Hadlee and Barry Hadlee. His ex-wife, Karen Hadlee, was also a cricketer. How did Richard, Barry, and Dayle get so good? Backyard cricket practice as kids with their dad, international cricket captain Walter Hadlee. There is no Hadlee family article, not should their be - but a category? Definitely. Grutness... wha? 06:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Seaport District

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac 1 5 18:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Seaport District (of Boston MA) and one other. Both are adequately categorised, so need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 06:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
The Seaport District is a neighborhood. This category has no subcategories. -- Slugger O'Toole ( talk) 17:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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@ Marcocapelle: why do you say that? In London, Category:Districts of London by borough has plenty of sub-sub-cats for districts = neighbourhoods, and that seems fine to me, and useful. But you seem to be stating that categories for neighbourhoods should never be permitted. – Fayenatic London 11:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. I was intending to close this once Marcocapelle had clarified his comments, but after the above comment I am now WP:INVOLVED. Neighbourhood categories are useful even without defined boundaries. As for the inclusion of places around those fuzzy boundaries, note that with town/village categories we allow categorisation of nearby/adjacent places, e.g. parks near the Japanese villages in various CFDs below on this page. – Fayenatic London 16:23, 24 October 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Gojōme, Akita

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The result of the discussion was: delete as still holding only two articles. – Fayenatic London 07:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Gojōme, Akita and one other. Both are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  1. Japan National Route 285
  2. Japan National Route 7
  3. Akita Expressway
  4. Masashi Kudo (boxer)
Those roads are not DEFINEd by every municipality they pass through, and biographies are not categorised directly in geographical categories. Biogs go in "People from Foo" categories
That leaves only two pages in the category. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Nishimeya, Aomori

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The result of the discussion was: delete (as it still contains only 2 articles). – Fayenatic London 07:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Nishimeya, Aomori and two others. All three are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  1. Shirakami-Sanchi
  2. Iwaki River
  3. Category:Tsugaru clan
None of them even mentioned Nishimeya, Aomori, and Category:Tsugaru clan's head article Tsugaru clan also doesn't mention Nishimeya. So it's not a WP:DEFINING attribute.
That leaves only two pages in the category: Nishimeya, Aomori and Tsugaru Shirakami Prefectural Natural Park. So WP:SMALLCAT applies.
I fear that Nihonjoe (and maybe some other editors) have engaged in a widespread exercise of stuffing the categories nominated on this page with articles which also don't belong there per WP:DEFINING. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ BrownHairedGirl: Could you stop assuming bad faith about me for once in your life? I went through the jawiki articles and added categories based on what was in the jawiki categories. It wasn't anything nefarious, so stop trying to make it out like I was trying to do something sneaky. As for the Iwaki River, it flows from Miyama Lake, which is right in the center of Nishimeya-mura, all the way through the eastern part of the village into Hirosaki, then north through a few more cities to Lake Jūsan, so it is in, not nearby the village. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Nihonjoe: this is en.wp. Please can you follow en.wp categorisation policies and guidelines, rather than robotically copying from another website?
Thanks. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:38, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
I didn't "robotically" copy everything over here. I only added the cat to those articles where I thought it fit. Obviously, you and Marcocapelle disagree with soem of them, and that's fine. If that lowers the number of articles to below the 5 needed to keep them, that's fine, too. There's nothing sneaky or nefarious about what I did, so stop trying to cast it in that light. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:42, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Nihonjoe: you wrote went through the jawiki articles and added categories based on what was in the jawiki categories ... andI replied based on what you said. Please have the decency not to attack me for taking your words at face value.
If you are acting in good faith, then please demonstrate that good faith by going back through these categories which you populated, and removing the articles which fail WP:CATVER and/or WP:DEFINING. Leaving others to clean up after you would not be a sign of good faith. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:50, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Could the originator of this robotic onslaught against Japanese municipality categories please explain how all this acrimonious time-wasting helps Wikipedia users one iota. It appears from their comments above that having these categories is an "impediment" to navigation. As asked above, with no response forthcoming, when these helpful categories are added, with "potential" per WP:SMALLCAT, providing enhanced navigational possibilities both within the English wikipedia and, via the interwiki links, the other language wikipedias with corresponding municipality categories, the eg town is not removed from the Category:Towns of x prefecture category, so Tawaramoto is both a subcategory and a page within the Towns of Nara Prefecture Category, thus obviating the asserted problem; where is the impediment to navigation? Repeat where is the impediment to navigation cited in justification? In some Commons categories, eg for paintings by painter, you have to drill down paintings of nature>paintings of flowers>paintings of roses>paintings of x rose to see find one painting, but since Tawaramoto is both a page and a subcategory how does this robotic onslaught help? Where is the impediment? I believe the nominator indicated somewhere they used automated tools, seemingly with limited user oversight, to stumble upon these simultaneous pages and subcategories in the first place; per Augustus, festina lente. The nominator repeatedly claims eg only two pages; could the nominator please search first, shoot later, and stop wasting everybody's time; what is their view of this deletion version request? Miscategorization? Or all a waste of time? Where is the benefit for user navigation asserted? Maculosae tegmine lyncis ( talk) 06:03, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Maculosae tegmine lyncis, I am the nominator. But since you have chosen once again to address me abusively, this time as the originator of this robotic onslaught, I will reply only to say that:
  1. I responded almost two weeks ago to most of your points at User talk:BrownHairedGirl#Japanese_municipality_categories ( permalink)
  2. Next time you post abusively, I will take the matter to ANI.
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Category:Naka, Tokushima

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The result of the discussion was: keep as it contains 8 articles about the town, nearby villages, and adjacent prefectural parks. I have removed the biographies per WP:COP and the highways; these are still linked from the article on the town. – Fayenatic London 08:54, 24 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Naka, Tokushima and 2 others. All three are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Kurayoshi, Tottori

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The result of the discussion was: keep as it has 5 valid members – now 6 after adding the adjacent Misasa-Tōgōko Prefectural Natural Park. – Fayenatic London 07:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Only the head article Kurayoshi, Tottori and 2 others. All 3 are adequately categorised, so no need to merge. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
" most 'scruciating idle"... retention per WP:SMALLCAT ("potential", repeat, "potential", repeat "potential"); encouragement to cease and desist per WP:SMALLCAT? encouragement to discuss first and during per WP:civility, HUMAN:civility? Were one to use Wikipedia's search function to help populate the category (not that this is necessarily necessary per WP:SMALLCAT), one might find eg Tottori College, Sekigane, Tottori, and Misasa-Tōgōko Prefectural Natural Park, which presumably puts us over the 5 articles minimum suggested above, seemingly contrary to WP:SMALLCAT, Maculosae tegmine lyncis ( talk) 23:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per 7 articles in cat. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Note As with many other of these Japanese smallcats, some editors have been adding articles indiscriminately in what looks like an attempt to game the system by padding the categories to a size that will defer deletion. I this case, I have removed:
  1. Mount Daisen, per WP:CATVER. Kurayoshi is not mentioned in article.
  2. Hōki Province. removed Category:Kurayoshi, Tottori -- a city may be categorised in a province, but this was categorising a province in a city
That leaves the category with 5 pages, including the head article. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Solomon family

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 18:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: disambiguation. The head article Solomon family is about an Australian family. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Professional wrestlers who competed in the Olympics

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 19:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. User:Namiba 12:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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If kept, this should be a subcat of Category:Olympic wrestlers, which it is not (yet). Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC) reply

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Category:Glyphis

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The result of the discussion was: rename as Category:Glyphis (shark). czar 01:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming:
Option A
Option B
Nominator's rationale: The bare title Glyphis is a disambiguation page, so some renaming is needed. The head article is River shark, and the scientific name Glyphis (shark) redirects there. I am not sure which to use. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anarchist parties

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 14:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Without "political" this category name can be misleading. I'd say this applies to the rest of the categories in this parent too (some add "political" to "parties" and others leave it off) but I'm particularly interested in this one for now. czar 21:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Croatian Canadian

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The result of the discussion was: Not renamed as nominated; no prejudice against a fresh nomination to an alternative target Timrollpickering ( talk) 19:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC) reply
42 other nominated categories
speedy discussion
Moved from WP:CFDS
 – Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 17:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Oppose We had a mong discussion which resulted in the convention of Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. I note that the target is a cat-redirect to that. If we allow this to go through, the next nom will be to merge Category:Fooian people of Booian descent into it. The problem with Croatian Canadians is that it could refer to Canadians in Croatia or Croatians in Canada, which is why we went for that format, which applies everywhere (except USA, for some reason). A better solution would be to downmerge with Category:Canadians of Croatian descent; etc, which will provide such categories with main articles, even multiple main articles. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC) reply
    @ Peterkingiron: please note that these categories are not about people, but about social and cultural aspects of these diaspora or ethnic groups. You are correct that biographical articles are to be located at Fooian people of Booian descent. This is why the confusion with these Booian Fooian categories is an issue. Would you care to consider a merge to an alternative target such as Booian Fooian society, as was already done for a large batch in this CfD? Place Clichy ( talk) 09:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Destroyed landmarks by country

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus Timrollpickering ( talk) 18:38, 14 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: After some research, our landmarks categories have been a mess for a long time. While certain municipalities have a landmark designation, I've been doing a lot of historic building tagging in the last couple weeks and have noticed some buildings have been tagged as "landmarks." Having categorised several hundred buildings now I have absolutely no idea when this designation would apply, as the definition I can find is "of interest to visitors," but even that is vague. Therefore, I propose that any buildings and structures in this category be moved to a buildings and structures category, either "former" or likely "demolished." Also note I'm proposing to do this merge manually because some landmarks are natural, but because of the scope, wanted to get permission first. (I also want to note that I support moving "Landmarks in Chicago" to "Designated landmarks in Chicago" to make it more obvious there's a legal definition, but that's outside the scope of this discussion.) SportingFlyer T· C 16:15, 11 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ Marcocapelle: Sorry about that - is there an easy way to do that in bulk or do I have some copying-pasting ahead? Feel free to keep this open a week from the confirmation those cats have been tagged. Some cats are part of other hierarchies and won't need tagging. SportingFlyer T· C 21:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC) reply
keep, should keep categories for "Destroyed", "Demolished", "Ruins", "Damaged", and "Abandoned", because they all mean something different. Funandtrvl ( talk) 19:44, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • The items in these categories are almost all buildings. There are cities where landmark is a formally defined term, but those categories should be worded as such. Plus, who is going to come up with the definition, and what sort of cleanup do you propose in the interim? SportingFlyer T· C 23:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia community should. And, as you say but more widely: the category should describe itself. Next: "almost all" is the point. Where would we categorise 'landmarks' that are not a building or structure?
oops me late signing :-( - DePiep ( talk) 21:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Support - troublingly vague. Natural landmarks can be moved to other categories as well, or simply kept as Category:Destroyed natural landmarks by country, with all the buildings and structures removed. ɱ (talk) 01:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Merge/support. I'm not convinced by the keeps. The merge proposed by the nom suffices as a first step for clarifying the ambiguous "landmarks" into more precise categories. Any other landmark categories should use "designated landmarks" to denote the difference. Separate category for "destroyed natural landmarks" where the landmark is not a building/structure makes sense too. (not watching, please {{ ping}}) czar 01:32, 5 October 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Butler family

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Butler-Belmont family. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:09, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: disambiguation. Butler family is a disambiguation page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:Semi-Retired Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category groups users who declare that they are less active than they were before; currently, it contains just one user. While it may be useful to know whether a specific user is "semi-retired"—at least, it is a user's prerogative to declare himself or herself as such—the user page notice serves that purpose amply and there is no added value in grouping users who are still-active-but-less-so (a subjective criterion, if ever there was one). This category seems to be a variant of Category:Wikipedians who are not currently active and Category:Wikipedians who are partially active, which were deleted at CfD, endorsed at DRV, and re-endorsed at CfD; therefore, speedy deletion ( G4) may be appropriate, too. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 04:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Category:User script developers

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Category:Films directed by P. Bharathiraja

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The result of the discussion was: rename with redirect bibliomaniac 1 5 00:09, 5 August 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Match the parent article, Bharathiraja. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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