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The result of the discussion was:merge the actor/actress categories, keep the rest. bibliomaniac15 04:15, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: This came up recently for renaming but I believe that these are
non-defining intersections. We have no other such combinations.
User:Namiba 20:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose Some of these combinations are defining; judges in the Nazi Party were presumably strongly influenced in their judgments by the party doctrine some notably so:
Roland Freisler. Architects, too, brings a notable intersection to mind:
Albert Speer. I haven't looked at the others, but it stands to reason wholesale elimination of Nazis by profession needs more than cursory merger. As for LGBT/Nazi combination lots has been written notably about many of the early SA (
Ernst Röhm), and little different than
Category:Nobility in the Nazi Party which intersection has also been notably written about and not nominated above.
Carlossuarez46 (
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Being a member of a political party is often defining. Being a Nazi is also often defining. However, simply being a judge/actor/architect etc. and a Nazi is not itself defining. The same could be said of virtually every political combinations. Would Judges in the Democratic Party or Architects in the Labour Party or Landscape artists in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union make sense? The combination of political party and occupation, when that combination is directly related (i.e. when they're not a politician or political activist) is trivial and non-defining. If you would like to add other categories, I am open to it. But it seems like you want to categorize people by their political party and occupation, which is counter to the second portion of your argument.--
User:Namiba 21:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose The rationale is based on a personal belief of the nominator and not on policy.
WP:NONDEF specifies that "a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having." No sources have been cited by the nominator.
Dimadick (
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Would you be comfortable with
Category:Actors in the Democratic Party (United States)? The second portion of what you mention above is what demonstrates that these are non-defining: "a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun". Being in the Nazi Party is tangential to the notability of every article in
Category:Male actors in the Nazi Party. Most of these figures had careers, sometimes long careers, prior to joining the party.--
User:Namiba 12:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Support as far as actors and actresses go. There are only 4 and all are categorised in other Nazi categories.
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Children of Greek mythological characters
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Speedy rename per
WP:C2C, als consistent with the tree for children of real people. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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Support. With most of the entries, there's no reason to oppose; but even with the ones who are usually described as monsters, i.e. Typhon, Echidna, Pegasus, the Cyclopes, they can also be referred to as "children".
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Category:Nazis who committed suicide in Germany by method
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 16:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:merge, redundant category layer with only three subcategories.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. The location of a suicide is also nondefining.
Asmodea Oaktree (
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Support Method of suicide is not defining.
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The result of the discussion was:merge. bibliomaniac15 04:18, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Alsophila
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Oppose. There's no article at Alsophila: both the fern and the moth are disambiguated. More sensible would be to choose one of the two taxa as the main topic and fix the categories accordingly. The images and top articles in a Google search for "Alsophila" are all for the fern, so this should be made the main topic.
Peter coxhead (
talk) 07:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Peter coxhead, per
WP:C2D the category name should match the article name, so unless the article
Alsophila (plant) is renamed, this category should be disambiguated. Feel free to open an RM discussions f you see fit. If an RM discussion is opened, then this speedy will be placed on hold pending its outcome, but otherwise it is a valid renaming which should proceed. Note that if such an RM is opened, I will oppose the renaming: I see no benefit to editors or readers in creating avoidable ambiguity in a scientific term, and many downsides. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 03:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I still strongly oppose the way in which this is being steamrollered through. It's not for me to propose an RM; I don't want a move. You want a move, so you should open an RM and notify members of the relevant Wikiprojects.
Peter coxhead (
talk) 07:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Peter coxhead, plesae drop the hyperbole. There is no steamroller, just a normal, long-established process for applying a long-established naming convention. If you don't want the category to be renamed, then you have three possible remedies:
propose an RM to rename the article, so that it matches the current category title.
open an RFC to propose changing or removing
WP:C2D.
After the renaming, open a full CFD discussion to propose moving it back, in breach of the convention. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 08:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. It should be dabbed anyway as it is ambiguous (even if the article is moved).
Oculi (
talk) 18:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Requests for comments, of all kinds, should be brief and neutral. This is absolutely not. If you want to see my reasoned argument, go to
WT:PLANTS#Back to the issue. Otherwise I have no intention whatsoever of participating any further in this discussion, given how it has been set up.
Peter coxhead (
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Category:VISTA volunteers
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: AmeriCorps / VISTA are year-long volunteer programs sponsored by the US government. They are
non-defining for those who participate.
User:Namiba 11:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Looks like they've had 177,000 people go through the program so far according to
this link. Doesn't seem defining.
RevelationDirect (
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Category:Laurene Powell Jobs
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Leica M10
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 17:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Lesbia
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Nominator's rationale: In this context, "Lesbia" refers to the scientific name for the
Trainbearer bird. Some change is needed to disambiguate it from the bare title
Lesbia, which is about the literary pseudonym used by the Roman poet
Gaius Valerius Catullus (c. 82–52 BC) to refer to his lover.
Responses to other similar recent nominations have shows a preference for the disambiguated scientific name, but I am fine with either form, so long as the current ambiguity is resolved. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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Rename per nom. As noted, normally this type of categories keeps the scientific name, option A in this case.
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