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The result of the discussion was:do not merge.
MER-C 17:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: As far as politicians are concerned embezzlement is generally a form of corruption. The Corruption categories are better developed, and corruption is a more universal term.
Rathfelder (
talk) 19:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I think the former. Of course politicians may commit the same sort of embezzlement that other people do (and so stay in that category, but in their civilian capacity), but looking at the articles so far it mostly seems to be selling favours and contracts, something most people are not in a position to do. There is also the problem that, as far as I can see, the crime of embezzlement does not exist everywhere. Even in the USA these articles seem to embrace a variety of names for crimes, but many are about misuse of official funds. I think that could fit within the term corruption.
Rathfelder (
talk) 19:42, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I dont think there is a useful distinction, as far as politicians are concerned, between corruption and embezzlement. The same terms are used in the articles interchangeably. I have made embezzlement a subcategory of fraud, because the term is not universal.
Rathfelder (
talk) 08:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
There is corruption which does not involve embezzlement, obviously. Taking a bribe for instance is not embezzlement. Rigging elections is not embezzlement.
Tadahiro Ando did not embezzle; neither did
Graham Burkett,
Dil Bahadur Lama,
Vladimir Kuznetsov (diplomat). (Why can't you learn to indent properly?)
Oculi (
talk) 11:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
There arent so many articles that it makes sense to distinguish different sorts of corruption, especially as those who go in for one kind often go in for others.
Rathfelder (
talk) 20:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Corruption is too vague in this case.
Dimadick (
talk) 21:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep There are at least two corrupt practices to which politicians are prone: embezzlement - helping themselves or their families to state funds; accepting bribes. To these may be added bribing others to vote for them, either becasue they want power for its own sake or to enable them to engage in the previous two. The target will make a good parent for the subject and siblings relating to bribery.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 16:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Many of the articles use both terms.
Rathfelder (
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Category:Czech-speaking territorial units in Croatia
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 17:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There's currently only a single non-robot character article, so no particular point in this being separate.
TTN (
talk) 16:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Upmerge per nominator. No need to keep only a single article in the parent category, especially as the robot characters are the whole point of the franchise.
JIP |
Talk 13:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dungeons & Dragons magical beasts
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The result of the discussion was:do not merge.
MER-C 17:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The main article has been deleted, so this no longer has any real categorizational use.
TTN (
talk) 16:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose We have a category for humanoids and plants so we can have one for magical beasts as well. Especially since it has 42 pages, only of few of which are redirects.
Debresser (
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The result of the discussion was:Rename per option ATimrollpickering (
Talk) 23:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment This probably shouldn't go ahead speedily as long as 2 similar categories are in the opposed section.
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 15:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Until
the CFD last month, the category was "Category:Jewish-related television episodes", so it may include content about Jewish ethnic identity that is not exclusively about Judaism as a religion. Nevertheless such content should not be removed, because this is part of a well-established hierarchy
Category:Jews and Judaism. –
FayenaticLondon 11:54, 9 January 2020 (UTC)reply
That split sounds as if it might be feasible in this case, but could be much harder to work through the rest of the hierarchy, and we might as well treat TV categories consistently with the rest. I'd want to hear from
WP:WikiProject Judaism first, so I have posted a notice there. –
FayenaticLondon 21:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I support the rename, and would leave a split between Jews and Judaism for the future. Same for the other category above.
Debresser (
talk) 01:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Gonnym: would you be prepared to withdraw your opposition to these two? –
FayenaticLondon 15:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I'd like to understand what the argument "and would leave a split between Jews and Judaism for the future" means. If they both support a split, then why don't we do it now? It's not like the category has hundreds of entries. We're talking about 16 pages. --
Gonnym (
talk) 16:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I didn't read it as support for the split, just openness to a further discussion which could cover the relevant hierarchy in one go. That would clearly be beyond the scope of this Speedy page. –
FayenaticLondon 08:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Then I'm sorry, I don't see how changing this category to be consistent with one parent, but inconsistent with another, makes it any better than the current style. Lumping two similar but different topics (religion and ethnicity) in the same category makes less sense than fixing the categories. --
Gonnym (
talk) 08:24, 16 January 2020 (UTC)reply
@Fayenatic london That is indeed what I had in mind, but since Gonnym opposes this speedy proposal and the discussion is going to have to take place sooner or later, I propose to make this a full Cfd discussion at this stage.
Debresser (
talk) 11:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Gonnym: I have co-nominated the sibling categories.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose option A, support option B (I think, I'll elaborate to make it clear). Support a split of the Jewish category between Jew (ethnicity) and Jewish (religion). The categories don't have that many entries and sorting through them should be fairly easy. This is also pretty important as most Israel-made TV series would go in the the option A category, but not all of them have any relevance to the religion aspect. This would make the category pointless for finding something (which is part of it's raison d'etre). As I pointed in one of the related discussions, the ethnicity category could (and should) work for other groups, such as Native-American, Romani and others. --
Gonnym (
talk) 15:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename, i.e. Option A, along with five more related categories that I have added today. Most participants at the Speedy page felt that these should be renamed for now, with scope for a separate later discussion on splitting the
Works about Jews and Judaism hierarchy between content about Jewish ethnic identity / content about Judaism as a religion. –
FayenaticLondon 14:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
About almost every topic on TV there will be supportive, opposing and neutral views. I am not certain to what extent we should split that.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Support option A. Shouldn't it be "Jews or Judaism"?
Debresser (
talk) 18:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)reply
So be it. Thanks for the reply.
Debresser (
talk) 16:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Option A and Option B, with a slight preference for option B. Although there is a well-established tree for Jews and Judaism, religion-related topics are usually at Judaism.
Place Clichy (
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Category:Communist parties in Palestine (pre-1948)
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 17:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per nominator. Seems obvious.
Debresser (
talk) 20:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Sipport -- Standard name for the polity.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:Dungeons & Dragons plants
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Nominator's rationale: Only three articles, all three most likely to be removed at AfD before this ends. If for any reason any remain, then upmerge to both categories.
TTN (
talk) 12:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep as a valid category. As I stated above, I see no problem with these Dungeons & Dragons categories. If empty, then speedy as usual. These categories should have been gourped and the nominations should have awaited the result of the Afd's to make discussion more meaningful.
Debresser (
talk) 16:52, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment, meanwhile the three articles no longer exist.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, only elements are redirects. buidhe 21:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Only redirects in this category now.ZXCVBNM (
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Single-country languages
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 17:31, 1 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, only one country in each of these categories. The so-called 'Smallcat exception' does not really apply here, because we'll never going to have a tree for all languages anyway.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:30, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Cannot see the point of these categories. I'd also argue that language is not necessarily a defining aspect of a country. buidhe 16:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per nominator.
Debresser (
talk) 16:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete -- This structure is useful where its language is spoken in areas beyond a country's frontiers, but not in these cases.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:Japanese female comics artists
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. –
FayenaticLondon 17:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Opposed: The problem with Category:Women manga artists is that it doesn't specify the nationality of these artists. Nowadays not all mangaka are Japanese and there is some overlapping with
manhwa at times, making it more important to specify the country of birth. The category Category: Women manga artists also sticks out among all categories (Nationality) female comics artists.
User:Kjell Knudde, 6:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC).
Comment, if there is at least a handful of articles about non-Japanese managaka we can reorganize it such that
Category:Women manga artists consists of the subcategory
Category:Japanese female comics artists (possibly to be renamed to Japanese women manga artists) plus the handful of articles about non-Japanese managaka.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 11:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Pinging
Nihonjoe who redirected the Japanese comics artists one in 2012.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 19:12, 22 January 2020 (UTC)reply
(reply after relisting) In absence of a handful of non-Japanese women manga artists, I support the nomination. However I would suggest a follow-up nomination to rename
Category:Women manga artists to
Category:Japanese women manga artists and if applicable move any remaining non-Japanese woman manga artist to
Category:Manga artists, in order to keep the content of that category within the Japanese women tree.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
MER-C 08:18, 24 January 2020 (UTC)reply
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