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Reverse merge — looks like the creator didn't know about CfR. The articles are all "Effects of" and the subcategories are "Effects of". So let's match them. William Allen Simpson (
talk) 00:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge or reverse merge, clearly overlapping scope. Note that the top category is styled
Category:Consequences of events and we have both Impact and Effects categories in that tree.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Tropical Cyclone effects by Region, because a
draft related to it is also made and the name seems appropriate. Dam222🌋 (
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Category:Architects of the Liturgical Movement in the UK
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Nominator's rationale: I don't have any strong views on what this should be called, it's intended as a daughter of
Category:British ecclesiastical architects but we don't have a category for the
Liturgical Movement, the closest we have is
Category:Liturgists. Obviously we never abbreviate "UK" in categories, so it could be "British architects of the Liturgical Movement" but beyond that I'm open to views? But we don't need the "British" or "UK" in there at all given that there's no "global" parent category.
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Category:Sportspeople who committed suicide
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Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable
WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
@
William Allen Simpson: Sportspeople are people involved in sport (including referees etc.). Sports competitors are those who compete in sport. Competitors in athletics are those who compete in the
sport of athletics.
SFB 01:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete The intersection is not defining and they are already in other athlete and suicide cats. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 23:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Most of them should be deleted, but at least for american football players and wrestlers, there should be further consideration, as these two sports have a correlation with higher suicide risk.--
JTCEPB (
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Delete per nom. If there is (or was) a great interest in any of these, then there would be an article about them, even if that was just, eg
List of wrestlers who have committed suicide, otherwise the intersection seems non-defining.
Nigej (
talk) 11:48, 28 December 2020 (UTC)reply
It is not good practice to take lack of an existing article as proof there is no interest. This is a conservative interpretation of how Wikipedia is built. Often important and useful articles have not been written yet simply because people haven't thought of it yet, or haven't had the time. For example, for years and years Wikipedia had no article on the
100 metres at the Olympics, yet we all understand that is a notable topic and it now gets hundreds of views a day.
SFB 01:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
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WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.
GiantSnowman 17:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete after upmerging any missing from parent cats.
GiantSnowman 17:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Listify This is perfectly useful material for a list, thus listify is the superior option for this than delete. There are not too many entries here so
List of sportspeople who committed suicide seems like a valid target list to create as a result of this. Suicides of sportspeople is a noted phenomenon and these is much literature on the subject, both lay and scientific (
example). To say the intersection of sport and suicide is trivial is to say that you have not done basic research to ascertain if there is a link.
SFB 01:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
If you are volunteering to create a list, just go for it.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep I don't see this as trivial, and the sources cover it.
Dimadick (
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What sources? No main article for any of these categories. Are all sportspeople expected to commit suicide? William Allen Simpson (
talk) 04:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete We shouldn't be glorifying suicide.
Warren Platts (
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Comment I wonder why you think that neutrally-written category titles on Wikipedia are "glorifying suicide".
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Category:Italian language outside Italy
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Category:House of Leuven
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The result of the discussion was:merge; do not rename to "Reginarids".
Good Ol’factory(talk) 04:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:merge, two different names for apparently the same house.
House of Leuven redirects to
Reginarids, the counts and dukes in this category are said to be Reginarids. Note that the target is nominated for speedy renaming to
Category:Reginarids per C2D.
Marcocapelle (
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Support merger to Reginar, but oppose Reginarids, which I regard as highly obscure.
Peterkingiron (
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Support We should follow the lead of the article space. I would prefer "House of Reginar" but that's an issue for an
WP:RM. -
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Support Same scope, though I would prefer the name "House of Reginar".
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Mayors of places in West Virginia
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Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:SMALLCAT, just one, two or three articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge for Now These locations would typically have had more than 5 mayors but most would be non-notable. No objection to recreating any if they ever get to 5+ article. -
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Merge per nom. --
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Category:Death of Sohrabuddin Sheikh
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Protestant congregations established in the 17th-20th century
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Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. A manual merge is needed because the articles in the Protestant congregations categories may already be in a denominational subcat of churches.
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Support per nom. --
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Protestant congregations established in the 16th century
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Nominator's rationale: in contrast to the four sibling categories nominated above, this category mostly concerns Catholic churches converted to Lutheranism, or Protestantism in general, for which we already have appropriate categories. But there also are a few entirely new Protestant churches (for which we already have a category as well), e.g.
Haberberg Church. These are very different situations and it does not make sense to lump them together in one category.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose -- I do not think this works. The congregation will not have changed (save its denomination) at the reformation. We have churches built in (say) 1330; reformed in (say) 1525; rebuilt in (say) 1710. Save in cases where the Catholic church was monastic (which adds more issues), the church community worshipping in the church will have had a continuous existence since 1330, though only protestant since 1525, and in a building built in 1710. Where a new church was established for the first time - many churches in America and dissenting churches in England, the community and the building are of much the same date. However in some cases history is rather more complicated.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Exactly because of all these issues, the nomination says "split" instead of "merge".
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Support — well done! This will mark the change in denomination, very notable. We already have "yyyy constructed" categories for buildings, that handle every "rebuilt" objection. When I was visiting distant relatives in Scotland, it was a matter of pride that they'd actually taken down a church building, numbered stone by stone, and rebuilt it in a row with other churches. It was also a matter of pride that they are all buried together in a cemetary near Macduff's tower from Shakespeare. Fought centuries of religious wars to arrive at a state of grace. Let's not perpetuate that here. William Allen Simpson (
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Support This appears to better reflect their denominational histories. -
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Category:Tour de France cyclists
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The result of the discussion was:delete and reparent the subcategories as indicated.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 04:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Winning is absolutely defining, participating is not and the members are already well grouped under other cycling cats. -
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Category:Two-thousanders of Macedonia
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Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed.
SeriousCherno (
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Rename per nom.
Oculi (
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Rename per nom. The current name would imply that the scope is the entire region of
Macedonia, covering several countries.
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Rename per nom. even speedy if possible. --
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Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed.
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Rename per nom. --
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Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed.
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Rename per nom. --
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Category:People from Kratovo, Macedonia
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Rename per nom. --
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Rename per nom. --
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Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed.
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Category:Kratovo, Macedonia
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Rename per nom. --
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Category:Organizations in 2000
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Speedy delete as
G5, user(s) who created this category is/are likely (a) sock puppet(s) of
User:Kamal avatar, who has socked
multiple times and whose sock puppets have blocks on multiple projects, including English Wikipedia. They also seem to be evading a global lock, their sock
Program99 has one right now. Also it seems that they are abusing Phabricator too. Opened SPI at
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kamal avatar.
GMXping! 23:52, 27 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Virtually empty category, and poorly named.
Dimadick (
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Delete per nom. --
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Category:Wikisource Administrators
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Nominator's rationale: None of the users in this category are actually administrators on any wikisource.
* Pppery *it has begun... 04:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete as
G5, user(s) who created this category is/are likely (a) sock puppet(s) of
User:Kamal avatar, who has socked
multiple times and whose sock puppets have blocks on multiple projects, including English Wikipedia. They also seem to be evading a global lock, their sock
Program99 has one right now. Also it seems that they are abusing Phabricator too. Opened SPI at
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kamal avatar.
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Patriotic War, 1st class
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Over a nine million of these awards were given out according to the main article,
Order of the Patriotic War. The award was a Soviet medal for World War II (aka "the Patriotic War") that eventually became a
campaign medal for every participant. Usually I suggest listifying non-notable awards, but this is too large and the contents would largely overlap with
Category:Soviet military personnel of World War II anyway. -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete, per nom.
Nigej (
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Delete, per nom. --
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Category:Recipients of the Warsaw Cross of the Uprising
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We normally don't categorize military people by individual battles because the combatants are already in a military category but
Category:Warsaw Uprising insurgents is a worthwhile exception since most of the local combatants in the 1944
Warsaw Uprising were not in a formal military and their participation was clearly defining. What is not defining is also getting the
Warsaw Uprising Cross as a
campaign medal decades later for that same participation. There wasn't a list so I created one right
here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
RevelationDirect (
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Keep separate - This is an award specific to Poland for those in a specific historical event. In Poland, this is defining and not all combatants have received this award. (It also complements existing, matching categories for recipients of this award in the Korean, Polish, Russian, Taraškievica, and Ukrainian-language Wikis).
Scanlan (
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The stated purpose of the award was for all those who "took an active part" which is a campaign medal and, in practice, it appears to have been broadly issued amongst the small subset of combatants who lived into the 1980s and 1990s, with some posthumous exceptions. -
RevelationDirect (
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Merge per nom. There is nothing about the award that makes it more restrictive than all participants still alive, which is not enough for us to want to categorize seperately on.
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