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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 14:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: A
non-defining, trivial, and potentially
subjective category. While some directors are more firmly associated with superhero films in the public eye than others, categorizing filmmakers by genre is very similar to
categorizing performers by roles, which is something we generally avoid.
--Animalparty! (
talk) 21:52, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete for reasons stated above.
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Category:Vampire: The Eternal Struggle
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 09:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT containing only two articles. Should be merged with the parent category.
Alexandra IDVtalk 21:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Userbox galleries
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The result of the discussion was:closed awaiting a fresh and better structured discussion (
non-admin closure).
Marcocapelle (
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Creator of the Category's rationale: Intended to separate pages in user space from pages in mainspace.
ElectroChip123 (
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@
ElectroChip123: firstly, this does not match current description of the category: This page is for listing top-level userbox galleries. For example, "WP:Userboxes/Galleries" should be included in this category, but "WP:Userboxes/Galleries/Food" should not be included in this category.. And secondly if category would be used to separate pages in user space from pages in mainspace then a)
Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries should not be added to that category and b) a better name for the category is needed. —
andrybak (
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@
Andrybak: The problem is that that doesn't address the reason I created the new category. The root problem is that "mainspace" galleries such as "Wikipedia/Userboxes/Galleries/Food" are being lumped in with "User:XYZ/UBX/asdfa/a/g" galleries. This results in an un-navigable mess. As an alternative, (in addition to renaming the page) it could be set up so that all of the "Wikipedia/..." galleries aren't included in the "galleries" category, except for the top-level page which would be sorted to the top of the lists. I suppose the alternative solution is thus to rename the "lists" category to "galleries" and remove all main-space links (except for the two top-level ones).
ElectroChip123 (
talk) 16:05, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
The verbose names were chosen for consistency with naming of other categories, like
Category:User namespace templates. The length of category names should not be an issue—four words is well inside reasonable boundaries. The galleries under UBX don't belong to any particular user (see
WP:UM). Since galleries under UBX are also thematically grouped, it makes more sense to categorize them together with Wikipedia namespace galleries. After these considerations, I'm leaning towards following two level (rather than flat) structure (fourth idea):
Userbox galleries — for galleries in Wikipedia namespace and under
User:UBX/
User namespace userbox galleries — a subcategory of the first one, with personal users' galleries.
What do you think? —
andrybak (
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@
Andrybak: Would it be an idea to have this discussion closed and start a fresh discussion? It is currently not clear what categories you propose to have renamed/merged into something else, while that should really be the start of the discussion.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Operating system user templates/Macintosh
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 09:33, 13 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Macintosh is only one of several operating systems created by Apple Inc. It would be better to make category explicitly more broad, to be able to include templates related to
macOS,
iOS,
iPadOS, and
watchOS. —
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Category:Backing vocalists
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 15:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-
WP:DEFINING category. Being a backup singer is not a unique specialty that some singers are limited to -- literally any singer who exists at all can be "lead singer" on some songs and "backup singer" on others, making this an indiscriminate category for any singer who exists. And, indeed, this isn't limiting itself to people whose notability derives primarily from backup singing: it's including many people who have some backing vocal credits but are notable primarily as lead singers, such as
David Gilmour and
Dave Grohl and
Tamar Braxton and
Paul Carrack and
Shannon Hoon and, I'm not even kidding about this,
Paul McCartney. And conversely, even people who are genuinely more famous for their backing appearances than their own recordings, like
Merry Clayton, have still released their own recordings as lead singers (they just weren't big hits the way "Gimme Shelter" was.) And beyond that, there are also a lot of people here who, even if they did do some backing vocals on their band's material, are notable principally as instrumentalists rather than as singers per se. For all of those reasons, it's just not a useful or appropriately defining category.
Bearcat (
talk) 14:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete or if appropriate, merge back to singers. Any singer who takes the lead may on another occasion back others up.
Peterkingiron (
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Delete per nom. I am assuming that all articles already are in a singers by nationality category so that a merge back is not necessary (but I have not checked that).
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Medieval Finland
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The result of the discussion was:keep/do not merge.
MER-C 08:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, only few articles per century. The smallcat exception rule does not apply because Finland was not a separate country in the Middle Ages, it was just part of Sweden, so it is does not to be diffused by century as part of an established scheme by country. All articles are already in an appropriate century tree, so no need for a dual merge. The establishment categories can be deleted because the content is already in
Category:Medieval Finnish architecture.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Object -- Finland was a recognisable part of the Swedish realm, being separated from Sweden proper by the Gulf of Bothnia. We commonly do have by century categories, not necessarily only for countries.
Peterkingiron (
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We do have by century categories not only for countries, but they should have a fair amount of content, unlike is the case here.
Marcocapelle (
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MER-C 09:10, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Peterkingiron's argument.
Dimadick (
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Oppose The term Finlont existed already in 12th Century rune writings. I see that these categories can be useful because the distinction can be geographical as well, and Sweden lost Finland in 1809 so the histories of the two present day countries are already so divergent. But there should be discretion what should be added here. Not everything that's mostly medieval Swedish but that also affected Finland should be added in them. However, there are many things that were happening in specifically on the Finnish side of the Swedish realm. --
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Nominator's rationale: Papua Region is an obsolete name, while Southern Region is the new name that has been used since the 2011 PNG census.
Sagotreespirit (
talk) 22:38, 2 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Refer to:
"Census Figures by Wards - Southern Region". www.nso.gov.pg. 2011 National Population and Housing Census: Ward Population Profile. Port Moresby: National Statistical Office, Papua New Guinea. 2014.
Note that nominator unilaterally implemented their nomination already.
Marcocapelle (
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Administrator note I've reverted that while this discussion is open. —
JJMC89 (
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MER-C 09:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Marco's alt as comma is the correct geo disambiguator.
Laurel Lodged (
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Category:People from Sunnmøre
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The result of the discussion was:keep.
MER-C 14:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Irrelevant categorization by district. Norwegian people are categorized by municipality, the appropriate parent cat of which lists people by county.
Geschichte (
talk) 21:21, 2 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Because it is virtually empty, but I see that the other ones exist as container categories, which would be fine
Geschichte (
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While it may currently be virtually empty, it can easily be populated as a container category (like the others). I have made a start populating it.
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MER-C 09:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep - far from empty.
Oculi (
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Category:Burgundian saints
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 14:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment - Anselm does not belong. This leaves two French people, who should be upmerged to a suitable French or regional category.
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MER-C 09:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom and Peter. 16:12, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 09:02, 14 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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MER-C 09:07, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
It may procedurally be easiest to rename this per nom, and start a fresh discussion about plural/singular for all siblings together.
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Category:Mabel (singer) songs
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename.
MER-C 08:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Also NB. There are also categories for albums, songs written by and maybe others, for these artists, singling out one category tree would not work. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 10:12, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:IAR. Dogmatic adherence to silly 'rules' results in grammatically cumbersome, stupid-looking category names festooned with "(disambiguator)". Besides violating our precious sacred rules, what is the HARM in changing the catgories?
--Animalparty! (
talk) 22:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)reply
In answer to your question - because by harmonising articles and categories there is no question of 'is this the same person/thing/item?' and that WP is more than just the music related pages, removing disambiguators across the whole of WP could create more problems than a mere dislike of disambiguators does. Finally,
WP:IAR can't be used to support
Wikipedia:I just don't like it as you appear to be doing here. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 09:50, 6 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment, there are many more articles with a '(singer)' or '(band)' disambiguator. If we remove the disambiguator from the category name we should do it for all of them. I would support a broader nomination.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose as noted above. Part of the reason to match the article is to maintain consistency when such ambiguity was becoming an issue. Best to stick with status quo. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:14, 3 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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