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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 04:25, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:rename per
WP:DEFINING, we should only have articles that are about a certain religion; "-related" is too vague for that. It should also be renamed in order to align with parent
Category:Television episodes about religion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 22:07, 30 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Clearer scope.
Dimadick (
talk) 09:07, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose Being "related" to something is less than being "about" something. Now I would be surprised if episodes of television series were "about" a religion. My guess is that at most they contain religion-"related" elements. If that is indeed the case, then that is not really something we should have a category about, and I would propose deletion of these categories altogether.
Debresser (
talk) 10:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
We can and should manually purge the categories after renaming. If nothing remains, the categories can be deleted per
WP:C1.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename and purge per nom. DexDor(talk) 09:41, 1 January 2020 (UTC)reply
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Template:Wushu-practitioner-stub
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 04:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template created in July 2019, no corresponding category
Le Deluge (
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Comment I have moved this nomination from TfD since CfD is the proper venue for stub templates and has an audience more qualified to comment on them. ‑‑
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Category:English Football League managers
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename.
MER-C 04:29, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: For clarification. It is not about English managers in what was for many years called (and still often referred to informally as) the Football League, but about managers of any nationality in what is now called the English Football League (although it includes many who managed before that name change)
Kevin McE (
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Support - at present the name is ambiguous.
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GiantSnowman 10:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Of course it is ambiguous: nonsense to claim that there is only one possible interpretation.
Kevin McE (
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No, you are confusing organisation with nationality. The organisation is called the English Football League so it is correct to call the category English Football League managers so that it includes all managers who have operated in the English Football League. In no way, does it limit membership to managers who have English nationality. Same applies to Egypt and to Malta and Slovakia in the earlier examples.
No Great Shaker (
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I'm not confusing them (any more: I did previously, which is why I know damn well that it is ambiguous) but I am pointing out that they are confusable in this format.
Kevin McE (
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Oppose - Agree. Makes no sense per above. Pretty clear what the categories name is about, not ambiguous.
Kante4 (
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Oppose. The name of the organisation is
English Football League (EFL) so it makes complete sense to have a category called
English Football League managers for its managers. Nationality doesn't come into it. The proposal is made "for clarification" but the name is already clear and there is no ambiguity. I agree with
GiantSnowman that the proposal is nonsense because of the wider implications.
No Great Shaker (
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The organisation has been called the English Football League for a little over 2 years. It was called the Football League for 128 years before that, and very many, probably the majority, of those on the list were managers in the league under that name. There are a whole load of names here who are not English, and who never managed in anything called the English Football League. Are you taking upon yourself to remove all of those?
Kevin McE (
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Oppose - I don't see that this really needs moving. Also, the proposed title would make it seem like the category was only for managers currently in charge of EFL teams. –
PeeJay 11:08, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Nonsense. There are hundreds in the category who are not currently "English Football League Managers", or even alive, and you don't seem to consider that a problem.
Kevin McE (
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It's not a problem, because the current title doesn't suggest that they are currently in the EFL. "English Football League managers" is no more of a problem than "
Manchester United F.C. players". –
PeeJay 15:14, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Totally spurious argument. The word 'in' no more requires present tense than does 'manager'. Nor any less.
Kevin McE (
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Oppose - As above. However, I would suggest a clarification be added to the category itself along the lines of "Managers of any nationality who have controlled a team in the
English Football League (also known as the Football League) since its inception in 1888. Does not include managers in the
Premier League, the top division of league football in England since 1992, for which see
Category:Premier League managers." Or something. In case anyone does mistakenly think it's only for English managers in the Football League.
Crowsus (
talk) 13:39, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Per all of the above oppose reasons given. I would support adding a brief clarification to the category like we have for
Category:English Football League players, but renaming the category is not the answer here.
LTFC 95 (
talk) 14:06, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
But those last two suggestions are only any use once one is reading the category list, it does nothing for those looking at the categories on the bottom of a manager's article. And that will not make sense to the reader in a huge number of cases.
Kevin McE (
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We can't and don't attempt to explain everything everywhere. That is why we have links. People can follow links if they want more information about a term. –
Jonesey95 (
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Comment - is the nominator's rationale because of an actual problem (with rampant miscategorisation), or a perceived one? I think we all know the answer to that.
GiantSnowman 16:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
What the ~@?:! is that about? Justify or retract.
Kevin McE (
talk) 16:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment: the parent categories make it clear if readers happen to find the bottom of the category page: "Association football managers by competition" and "English Football League". That said,
a simple explanatory sentence on the category page for this and similar categories would clear up all ambiguity. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 17:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose — The category name is not ambiguous and only refers to managers who coached in the EFL. It would very silly for anyone to think that it only refers to English football managers who have managed in the insert nationality (except English) here Football League. Furthermore, we would also have to change literally the name of every other subcategory within it. The name is simple and not confusing. Changing it to whatever you requested makes it too ambiguous and only 71 people are eligible to be part of the category. If you want it fully disambiguated then the too long and even more confusing than it needs to be.
KingSkyLord (
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No, it does not apply only to "managers who coached in the EFL": it has a vast number of managers (English and otherwise) who coached in the Football League.
There are no logical or linguistic grounds for the assertion that my proposal is any more restricted to current managers than the present title. If you believe otherwise, explain why.
Kevin McE (
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 04:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Categories with just one or two entries. Don't propose merging to people as most Israeli footballers are seriously overcategorized with player articles in People and sometimes Sportspeople from Foo in addition to Football players from.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 14:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)reply
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GiantSnowman 10:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete. Only one entry and I've just submitted that to AFD because I believe it fails GNG. I think that a category based on town or city of origin should have a significant number of entries (at least half a dozen, in my view) to be worth keeping.
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Category:Council of Five members
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 04:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: All this category includes is one subcategory, which is already under deletion discussion. Delete as a useless category.
JIP |
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Category:Pages using infobox building with deprecated parameters
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 04:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: No longer needed. All instances of the deprecated parameter have been fixed and it has been removed from the template. –
Jonesey95 (
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delete, housekeeping, no longer used.
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Category:Ecole Spéciale Militaire de Saint-Cyr alumni
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 04:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
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Polish awards
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
MER-C 04:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:SMALLCAT, each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep. They serve a navigational purpose, allowing to navigate from article in question to the categorized list of participants. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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That will not change when merging. The article and subcat will just be one category layer higher.
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MER-C 04:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)reply
So where will we put awards about products that enhance the sheen on surfaces, furniture, etc?
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Category:Personal finance websites
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 04:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Not all the articles can be properly regarded as about personal finance, and there isn't another category. Renaming would fit better into
Category:Works about financeRathfelder (
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I created this category because, as the nominator says, there wasn't anything else really suitable. The suggestion above by Marcocapelle seems a good way forward.
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Category:Miss Intercontinental winners
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The result of the discussion was:delete, but check whether members are categorized under
Category:Beauty pageant winners first.
MER-C 04:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Not defining. Articles on Miss International have been deleted.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 22:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment, being a miss intercontinental winner seems to be the main reason why the biography articles in this category exist.
Marcocapelle (
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This is a weak oppose, I guess. Marcocapelle (
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Delete winning an award like this may indicate that an article should be in a
female models category, but it shouldn't have an award winners category. DexDor(talk) 07:54, 30 December 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:English cricket commentators
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename.
MER-C 04:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Part of a large and well-established tree of English people (alongside similar categories for other constituent countries of the UK). i'd have no objection to a parent British category to hold this,
Category:Scottish cricket commentators, and
Category:Welsh cricket commentators, but a definite "No" to deletion.
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Strong oppose. These are not identical. Basically every British category for humans is broken up into the four countries that make up the UK - see
Category:British comedy writers. If you want to create a parent category for English, Welsh, and Scottish categories that's fine, but no to renaming English cricket commentators.
—МандичкаYO 😜 04:09, 30 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. Frankly, words fail me.
No Great Shaker (
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Oppose per all above. –
PeeJay 11:09, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
English, Welsh, and Scottish categories do not belong in categories "by nationality". The only nationality since 1707 is British. English has to be a subcategory of British. This may, of course, change in the future.
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Category:Insect redirects
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Nominator's rationale: No need for these to be separate categories. DexDor(talk) 19:08, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose but support opposite merge: I would support merging
Category:Redirects to insects into
Category:Insect redirects. The latter was created to be more in sync with the naming and ordering of other categories within the Tree of Life project. Many pages within Redirects to Insects fit within the more precise categories of Insect redirects, which contains far more pages. I do agree that both categories are not required.
M. A. Broussard (
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If only one of these categories is required why did you create the 2nd category (rather than proposing a rename of the category that already existed)?
Merge or reverse merge, clearly they should not both be kept.
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Category:Crossover science fiction television series
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
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MER-C 03:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)reply
I have no issue with Marcocapelle's proposal if this category is wanted. My issue was the fact that they were episodes and not TV series. --
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