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That is a good alternative to deletion - the proposed category is also quite small, but it would seem to have much more capacity to grow, so this seems like a sensible option. Striking my previous comment, support merge.
GirthSummit (blether) 19:27, 15 September 2018 (UTC)reply
I agree with the merge. DGG (
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Category:Health drinks
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Delete It's a meaningless category. Any drink (barring poison) can be part of a healthy diet, so it would be impossible to exclude anything from the category; specific health-promoting claims for drinks are usually marketing devices which we shouldn't be supporting with a category like this.
GirthSummit (blether) 12:22, 4 September 2018 (UTC)reply
delete Marketing shit. "Drinks that promote health." my ass.
Jytdog (
talk) 20:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete What Jytdog said minus the expletives.
Carl Fredrik talk 13:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. Blatant woo. Guy (
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Category:Ottoman rulers of Galilee
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Comment - just filled the category with 7 entrances, which encompasses the positions of "Sheikh of Acre and All Galilee", "Emir of Nazareth, Tiberias and Safad", "Multazim of Tiberias", and several other regional positions during four centuries of Ottoman rule in the region. Clearly this can be expanded further.
GreyShark (
dibra) 06:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Apparently I hadn't noticed that GreyShark had removed
Category:Ottoman governors of Sidon as a child category, a few hours earlier. Shouldn't that remain, since all governors of Sidon were rulers of Galilee?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Not quite governors of Sidon were also rulers of Galilee. Those were most of the time separate positions, with the ruler of Sidon Eyalet being the Wali, while ruler/rulers of Galilee carried the titles of Sanjak administrator such as "Sheikh of Acre and All Galilee", "Emir of Nazareth, Tiberias and Safad", and this was the ruler of the
Sanjak of Safed and
Sanjak of Acre. Some Walis of Sidon at times also carried the title of the ruler of Galilee in parallel, but this was rare (only when Sidon Eyalet was governed from Acre). Also until the establishment of Sidon Eyalet, the rule over Galilee was at the direct hands of Damascus Eyalet as the Sanjak of Safed. On another occasion, Kurkumaz the ruler of the
Mount Lebanon Emirate was appointed ruler of Galilee as well. So, saying that all Walis of Sidon were rulers of Galilee is like saying that all Ottoman Sultans were rulers of Galilee; those were different hierarchy levels of administration.
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Category:People associated with the Dil Pickle Club
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The result of the discussion was:delete. czar 19:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:delete, not a defining characteristic. Moreover the club is not mentioned at all in many of the articles in the category.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. None appear to be sourced, there is no discussion of this in any of the articles I have seen, it appears not to be of any real significance. Guy (
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Category:People associated with Conway Hall Ethical Society
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Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:NONDEF and
WP:OCASSOC, the society is not even mentioned at all in most of the articles.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:51, 7 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom &
WP:OCASSOC; I don't like the alternative nom proposes above as it becomes very much a
WP:PERF category. If membership in the society is notable and defining; perhaps a category for that is sustainable. Not sure that it would be any more than
Category:Member of St. Somebody's Parish, Somewhere would be.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 17:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Rename and prune -- Conway Hall was a unitarian church, whose members abandoned faith in favour of humanism. This is thus the origin of the British Humanist Society. As such the Hall and its Society is certainly notable. The question is how to make a satisfactory people category related to that. "Associated" is too vague. People who lectured there occasionally would fail
WP:PERF. Mere society membership is certainly not enough.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Peterkingiron's comment suggest that this may be a significant group of people, whose involvement in this society is defining because of their historical influence. The category is therefore worth further discussion. I have just tagged the category talk page with WP Philosophy, Religion, UK etc which may spur further participation.
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FayenaticLondon 19:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment on relisting comment, no doubt that this is a significant topic, but the people can also be kept together in a list. The list that is currently in the
Conway Hall Ethical Society article may well be expanded with the members of this category.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Further comment -- Listifying in the main article is a valid alternative.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:08, 18 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per nomination. I have added all the category members to the lists in the main article, but some of the connections are tenuous or unspecified. During the task I noted that some regular speakers were never formal members, e.g.
Archibald Robertson (atheist), so "members" would not be a suitable alternative category. –
FayenaticLondon 10:58, 1 September 2018 (UTC)reply
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ℯxplicit 04:22, 4 September 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dutch Frisian people
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The result of the discussion was:option B, as outlined.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 01:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:merge per
WP:OVERLAPCAT, the articles of this category (not the subcat) contain early modern and modern
West Frisians while they were concentrated in the nearly mono-ethnic province of
Friesland. When merged, the medieval subcategory should be removed from the target category (it could still be linked with a See also note).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:08, 4 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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ℯxplicit 07:07, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep or rename to something else -- I did not vote before, because I was unsure what to do. Dutch Friesland (or West Friesland) is to be distinguished from East Friesland, which is part of Germany. Historically, its people were also people from Friesland, which means that the category is liable to pick up irrelevant articles. The classic case on this is Birmingham (whose categories are at Birmingham, West Midlands), to keep out articles about Alabama. We need to retain a disambiguator in the category name.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 16:14, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
That is a misunderstanding,
Friesland is a Dutch name of an official Dutch province, never called West Friesland, and is not ambiguous. It might alternatively be called West Frisia in English (although If 'm not sure if that actually happens, the page of
West Frisia is poorly documented), since it is the western part of the unofficial wider coastal region of
Frisia to which
East Frisia and
North Frisia also belong, but certainly not West Friesland.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:01, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Ha! I did not know about that British one. Well, it is a long-standing precedent, and certainly seems comparable. Let's see whether other editors find the idea acceptable. –
FayenaticLondon 20:52, 30 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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ℯxplicit 04:22, 4 September 2018 (UTC)reply
As the nominator, I strongly support either of the two options, with a weak preference for option B.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 11:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)reply
So that is option B, right?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:10, 16 September 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Androni–Sidermec–Bottecchia
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The result of the discussion was:keep but remove articles about individual cyclists, as discussed.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 01:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Category setup for the cyclists on an
individual team. As far as I know, we don't have a structure for doing this for cyclists, and would create a lot of category clutter with cyclists moving from team to team on a frequent basis. Compare the
Category:Team Sky, which doesn't do this (no
Chris Froome, for example). LugnutsFire Walk with Me 06:51, 24 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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ℯxplicit 04:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep but purge, to the three articles stated above plus two more that I just added for the 2014 & 2015 seasons. –
FayenaticLondon 12:55, 6 September 2018 (UTC)reply
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