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Nominator's rationale: The category has only two members, and it is not part of a comparable hierarchy in either of the parent categories. –
FayenaticLondon 22:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Soissonaire queens consort
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The result of the discussion was:merge. –
FayenaticLondon 21:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:upmerge, the
Merovingian kings aren't diffused by capital either, so why would their spouses need to be?
Marcocapelle (
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Support. Merovingian kingdoms changed borders from one ruler to another, they do not have a lasting meaning by themselves, except maybe
Neustria and
Austrasia. Also note that article
Kingdom of Soissons does not refer to any Merovingian kingdom but to the earlier unrelated rump Roman state.
Place Clichy (
talk) 16:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: All biographies are in
Category:Merovingian dynasty already; afaik we never categorize queen consorts as people from the capital of the kingdom; afaik we categorize queens consort only by their country of queenship (Frankish in this case), not by their country of birth (Burgundian in this case).
Marcocapelle (
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Category:People of the Carolingian Empire
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The result of the discussion was:reverse merge. –
FayenaticLondon 00:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: An unnecessary level of categorization; it's also difficult to differentiate between the scope of the two categories.
Carlossuarez46 (
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Comment, it is the target that is most problematic, Carolingian people isn't really anything, Carolingian is neither a nationality nor an ethnicity, but a
dynasty. The people in the target category lived in
Francia (until 800) or the
Carolingian Empire (thereafter).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 18:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Object -- The Carolingian kings were ethnic Franks, but the empire covered France, Germany, and parts of Italy. This raises the same issues as
Ottoman Empire, where the Ottomans were the ruling dynasty and their subjects were Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Bulgarians, Vlachs, etc.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 16:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)reply
So, Carolingians are an ethnicity? do you have a reliable source for that?
Carlossuarez46 (
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Support reverse merge to match Ottoman Empire.
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Category:100 Tourist Sites of Bulgaria
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The result of the discussion was:delete. The "delete" votes are based in Wikipedia policy, which adds weight, whereas the "keep" vote uses
WP:OTHERSTUFF which is weak. As membership of the list is not permanent, I am persuaded by the argument that it is not
WP:Defining. –
FayenaticLondon 22:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)reply
I was requested to reopen this discussion. After doing some more work on the list page myself, I declined, as the entries in the list were shown to vary quite a lot over time. That discussion is currently at
User_talk:Fayenatic_london/Archive19#CfD_oddity. –
FayenaticLondon 20:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: per
WP:TOPTEN, and not defining; these places are probably tourist attractions but being on the top 100, which changes from time to time (see article) doesn't define them.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 17:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)reply
This not a "top 100 most visited tourist places" or something of the sort, it's a half-a-century-old, more or less permanent "selection" with its accompanying cultural paraphernalia (see
article). This category is comparable to
Category:Marilyns. –
Uanfala (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Elisabeth Shue
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Nominator's rationale:WP:OCEPON. Other than herself and a character she plays, the only entries are other people, which I'm pretty sure we have a guideline against anyway. --
woodensuperman 15:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States from Minnesota
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:OCLOCATION, geographical origin does not have any relevant bearing on the subjects' other characteristics.
Place Clichy (
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Category:Peel Media
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Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category without main article is best combined with the parent category.
UnitedStatesian (
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Category:Tokyo Metropolitan Television
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The result of the discussion was:Rename without prejudice to a deletion nomination on
Category:Tokyo MX. With no comment for over a month since deletion was proposed it's best to put through the name change now.
Timrollpickering 21:09, 19 July 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:People stripped of honors
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Nominator's rationale: This category covers various awards and people removed from public office. I think the concept makes sense (removal of status as a punishment), but should be named more broadly.
SFB 16:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
What about someone whose university diploma was cancelled? Is a substantive diploma (as opposed to an honorary degree) an "award"? (On the other hand, I don't know that a journalist gets fired from an "honor". Not that we have any journalists here yet.) I'm always leery of categories getting turned into "or" so that, in effect, the category almost always contains a word that doesn't apply to the subject being added. --
Closeapple (
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@
Closeapple: I've never heard of someone being stripped of an earned qualification, usually it is the occupational license to practice that is revoked (e.g.
Category:Disbarred lawyers, which I will also put in here as it's a removal from a position). Removal of an honorary degree clearly falls into this category as-is and as-proposed (e.g.
[1]). The phrase "stripped" is never used to indicate simple termination of employment, with the sole exception of honorary roles or roles of public office (which are both already in here). In terms of ideas like "journalist gets fired from an honor" - my head just exploded trying to envisage what that could even mean, let alone find an example to include, so I don't think we need to be concerned about that
SFB 17:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Rename as proposed. I think that stripped of position is the loss of a position which is tenured (a full professor) or expected to continue either for a specific term (say, a US state governor) or indefinitely (a British lordship or US federal judge) as opposed to being fired from the typical private employers. I also think that stripped conveys the proper connotation that the act was involuntary on the part of the recipient/holder of the award or position, so removed impeached folks, disbarred lawyers, etc. fit the bill rather than the lawyer who resigns from the bar voluntarily upon retirement, or the various Queens of the Netherlands who abdicate to retire.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 20:03, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Object to the proposed category name. Positions and awards are different. No need to bundle. Imho this category should be split into new and/or existing ones!
gidonb (
talk) 11:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC) reply
@
Peterkingiron: I can see that division makes sense and would support that, though I think you could simplify the former to
Category:People stripped of awards (per parent
Category:Award winners) as this covers the topic more broadly for things like the Tour de France winners.
SFB 19:19, 6 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment I have created a
Category:People removed from office and moved part of the contents of this category accordingly. That leaves the more simple question for the remainder of this category: should the category still be renamed and if so to what name exactly?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Thanks for creating "offices". Now Rename to
Category:People stripped of awards. The fact that this covers honours and medals can be dealt with in a headnote. I would have preferred this to be a container only category, but that would require the creation of a one-member category, relating to beauty pageants.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:Released from excommunication
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Nominator's rationale: It's important describes all persons no more excommunicated by the Church
Roltz (
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