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The result was delete‎. Per WP:TOOSOON. Any editor who wishes to restore this article in Draft space may contact me or another administrator. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 22:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Zimbabwean cricket team in Ireland in 2024

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Fails GNG, sources in article are passing mentions in routine sports news, nothing meeting WP:SIRS.

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Draft has been disputed. It is very unlikely this match will generate WP:SIGCOV.  //  Timothy ::  talk  04:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cricket, Zimbabwe, and Ireland. Shellwood ( talk) 09:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete (or, at best, draftify). No indication how this single/planned/"friendly" cricket match meets WP:NSPORTSEVENT and WP:GNG. If, after the event occurs, it is clear that WP:LASTING and WP:SIGCOV are met, then the article could be recreated. As it stands, this seems to be a classic example of why we have WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTCRYSTAL guidelines. Guliolopez ( talk) 10:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment. I am frankly baffled by the two "keep" recommendations below. Both from seasoned editors. But both of a type expressly discussed in WP:ATA. ("All test series have articles - and so this one should too" is a classic WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Nothing is inherently or automatically notable. Not least sports fixtures that haven't yet occurred. And "There may not be coverage now - but there definitely will be" is a WP:ONLYBECAUSEITHAPPENED argument. Where the community agrees that "Notability is based on objective evidence of whether sufficient reliable sources have taken notice already". Not whether they could in the future....) Baffled..... Guliolopez ( talk) 15:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  I'm baffled by the noms statement: "It is very unlikely this match will generate WP:SIGCOV"; this perhaps illustrates they are not familiar with Test cricket, or the importance of the match, as it will certainly generate significant coverage. AA ( talk) 09:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  I agree that the nominator could have framed their own argument better (and perhaps said "it is very possible [SIGCOV won't be generated]"; Rather than the more definitive/predictive "it is very likely/unlikely [SIGCOV won't be generated]"). But the fact remains that AfD discussions should be based on the sources and evidences of notability that exist at the time of the discussion. Not those that might exist in the future. Or would have existed in the past had conditions been different. Personally I don't understand why, even if you fully believe that sources/evidences will arise in the future, you wouldn't see that as an argument to draftify/incubate. Until that actual SIGCOV actually exists... (Also, familiarity with test cricket [or expertise in any field] isn't a precondition to AfD discussions or a prerequisite to dispassionate evaluation of sources.) Guliolopez ( talk) 10:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep. A series between two ICC full members who will play a Test match, the highest level of the international game. This match will receive coverage and WP:SIGCOV as it is the first Test match to be played in Northern Ireland (a historically notable moment) and only the second Test match played on the island of Ireland. AA ( talk) 22:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep. Every Test cricket series, even a one-Test series like this, has an article. Sammyrice ( talk) 03:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Draftify It's likely that coverage will exist at the time of the test, but for now draftify as a case of WP:TOOSOON. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete – Clearly fails in WP:GNG, the event is not notable for a dedicated article. Svartner ( talk) 05:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Draftify - Agree with AA that it is likely this will receive sufficient coverage to meet SIGCOV. But that is in the future. For now it doesn't, and draft space is specifically for incubating such articles. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 08:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. If the series becomes notable after it occurs, the article can be recreated. Right now there is nothing useful to retain in draft form. JoelleJay ( talk) 05:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.