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The result was keep. Consensus is that this law journal is notable. Rlendog ( talk) 18:39, 29 June 2015 (UTC) reply

Virginia Journal of Social Policy & the Law

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals) as a non notable student edited journal Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:18, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply

• Delete: I tagged this for speedy deletion in an earlier incarnation, and it was deleted. In a subsequent discussion with the author, I said that the article needed "reputable third-party sources (NOT your website, or blogs, or a Facebook page) that support the journals notability." He has responded with four sources. Unfortunately, one is their website, and the other three are directory and catalog listings. The article asserts that one of the sources provides a ranking, but it's not obvious — certain the link being pointed to does not support the assertion. The article still provides no evidence to support notability. ubiquity ( talk) 15:33, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep. For law journals, the Washington and Lee ranking is used to evaluate their relative ranking. The site is not very user friendly and one cannot link to search results, but if you rank journals here according to impact factor, this journal ranks 107 among 1640 journals, being way into the top 10 percentile. -- Randykitty ( talk) 16:48, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep, first, almost all U.S. law journals are student run and edited, including the Harvard Law Review and the Yale Law Review. Whether it is edited by students or not is not relevant as to its notability. Second, being listed with an abbreviation in Bluebook in Table 13 means that the journal is used frequently enough in legal citations to merit having it listed. The same thing with being listed as a journal accessible via HeinOnline. This is clearly a notable journal. GregJackP  Boomer! 16:50, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply

• Comment Although I agree with your "keep" !vote, I disagree with your rationale. Not all law reviews are student edited. The vast majority of US journals are, but even in the US there are exceptions. Being listed in the Bluebook is not generally considered to satisfy WP:NJournals, because it is not selective (it strives to include all law reviews that are cited from time to time). -- Randykitty ( talk) 17:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply

• Reply. I amended my !vote to reflect "almost all U.S." instead of the previous language. I disagree with you on Bluebook, from the language at the start of Table 13, it states [P]rovides abbreviations for the names of select English language periodicals... (at p. 444, 19th ed.). In any event, this is still a notable law journal. Regards, GregJackP  Boomer! 17:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep. This is a notable law review journal. Minor 4th 16:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep. I edited the page to reflect that the Journal is ranked fourth for author submissions for 2013 in the category of "Law and Society," as indicated by ExpressO, a major submission platform for authors of material in U.S. legal journals. It's certainly notable by any measuring device. Tener311 ( talk) 19:36, 22 June 2015 (UTC) reply

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• Keep. A relative ranking of 107 out of 1640 in Washington and Lee establishes notability. Whether the journal is student edited is irrelevant to its notability, as that is not unusual for notable (and reliable) US law reviews. James500 ( talk) 18:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC) reply

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