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The result was speedy keep. Per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) John from Idegon ( talk) 20:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Vera El Khoury Lacoeuilhe
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This biography article should be deleted because it does not meet any of Wikipedia's criteria for notability. -- 2604:2000:E010:1100:41F:9F06:5896:638 ( talk) 20:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Nomination on behalf of IP. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then ( ping me) 23:43, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep. The two L'Orient le jour sources already in the article are in-depth and look independent and reliable, as does this article from the Lebanese Daily Star, this 2017 interview and profile at U. Montreal, and this Argentine news story. The question here should not be whether there is enough in-depth reliable independent coverage of her for WP:GNG (I think there clearly is and I could have listed many other similar stories) but whether she passes WP:BIO1E (as most of the coverage relates to her candidacy for director-general of UNESCO). In that light, I found a story from 2003 mentioning her work as chair of the World Heritage Committee, also mentioned by the Montreal interview and also mentioned briefly in this story from the St. Lucia Star. None of those mentions are in-depth but I think they're enough to save this from BIO1E, as does the French knighthood (from 2005 so also independent of the candidacy; here is a good-enough source), and we have the in-depth coverage elsewhere. — David Eppstein ( talk) 00:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- She's a lecturer. Known most for as you point out the one event of a failed candidacy-which is largely covered in passing mentions with the other 8 candidates. I was under the impression that interviews such as the one you point to are irrelevant here. And it is harder to find a briefer passing mention than
the one in The St. Lucia Star that you point to (blink and you will miss it) - that can't be what makes her notable. The same with
this barest-of-all-possible-mentions that you would have us focus on - one could not have a briefer mention. And that French award you rely on, the National Order of Merit? There are
300,000 people who have received it or been promoted in the past 50 years, 185,000 who are now members - that certainly does not make someone notable. And one of the L'Orient pieces is a short 3-paragraph article; she doesn't meet GNG, and she does indeed as David mentions have a
WP:BIO1E issue as most coverage is of her failed candidacy. The fact that the best case for the notability of this lecturer is built on those mentions is a sign of just how flimsy the case for notability is here.
2604:2000:E010:1100:EDB7:BE53:2AC8:FEF3 (
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- Taking a position as a lecturer (if she still has that position; I can't verify it) is not a rationale for deletion. It is not notable in itself, of course, but it does not cast any negative light on anything else. And you appear not to have read my comment very carefully; there is plenty of nontrivial coverage; the parts that you point to as brief passing mentions were not about depth of coverage. — David Eppstein ( talk) 04:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- She's a lecturer. Known most for as you point out the one event of a failed candidacy-which is largely covered in passing mentions with the other 8 candidates. I was under the impression that interviews such as the one you point to are irrelevant here. And it is harder to find a briefer passing mention than
the one in The St. Lucia Star that you point to (blink and you will miss it) - that can't be what makes her notable. The same with
this barest-of-all-possible-mentions that you would have us focus on - one could not have a briefer mention. And that French award you rely on, the National Order of Merit? There are
300,000 people who have received it or been promoted in the past 50 years, 185,000 who are now members - that certainly does not make someone notable. And one of the L'Orient pieces is a short 3-paragraph article; she doesn't meet GNG, and she does indeed as David mentions have a
WP:BIO1E issue as most coverage is of her failed candidacy. The fact that the best case for the notability of this lecturer is built on those mentions is a sign of just how flimsy the case for notability is here.
2604:2000:E010:1100:EDB7:BE53:2AC8:FEF3 (
talk) 01:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Much more than a lecturer, a former diplomat and many senior roles at UNESCO, there is enough coverage for WP:GNG however the ip (who asked for the nomination and just commented) paints it, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 02:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Like Atlantic306 said, she is a diplomat and higher-up roles at UNESCO. A quick Google News search reveals a number of articles about her. = paul2520 ( talk) 02:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, As a former diplomat and for her role in UNESCO she is notable. Alex-h ( talk) 11:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - easily meets GNG by way of SIGCOV. Bearian ( talk) 02:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG per above. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 02:30, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 15:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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