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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC) reply

The Crying Spell

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Subject lacks notability and reads like an advertisement. Meatsgains ( talk) 03:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. sst ✈ 05:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington-related deletion discussions. sst ✈ 05:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete as the current sourcing is not yet solidly convincing enough to suggest there must be a better notable article. SwisterTwister talk 06:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
• Leaning Keep: The article is basically self-sourced, and I started out thinking that it was a clear delete for the band and its three album articles, but... then I found http://www.mtv.com/artists/the-crying-spell/biography/, which together with http://www.axs.com/the-crying-spell-will-perform-live-at-seahawks-halftime-34776, http://www.qromag.com/reviews/concert_reviews/killing_joke/ and http://planetmosh.com/killing-joke-abc-glasgow-12th-march-2012/ indicates some measure of both local and wider popularity, and thus at minimum MUSBIO #4, #7 and #11. ^~~ Hydronium^~Hydroxide^{~ (Talk)~~} 09:28, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply

I might have jumped the gun on assuming no coverage in the media. Not sure why those RS were not used to create the page originally instead of the poor references that page currently has. Meatsgains ( talk) 17:58, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment. I'm don't think MTV biographies are written by a third party. I would consider that a glorified press release. AXS is a ticket merchant. I don't know about the others, but I have my doubts. Planetmosh.com does not have an editor listed in their staff, just a "team leader". I might do more digging later. It's not obvious to me yet. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 23:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I was right about MTV.com: here are the instructions to create your own band biography. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 23:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Change vote to Leaning Delete: NinjaRobotPirate, thanks for the digging. MTVu (primarily sourced) gave national play, but it's not clear that play continued after the one-week rotation, so it's of low weight. Seahawks competition is something, but it's not clear that it gave much notability given its structure (was the Fan Appreciation Day match broadcast? Print reviews might be few given it was on 28 Dec 2014). QRO must be struck as potentially paid. With Planetmosh, the indication is that there is (or at least was) editing -- see the "Former Editor..." down the page for Rocktastic/Sheila, however the article's author has only written two articles. TCS have limited local radio support (see this but this). The best hope for sourcing would appear to be in more mainstream (possibly offline and/or foreign and/or broadcast) coverage of the Killing Joke or Julien-K tours, but it feels like notability is currently marginal at best. ^~~ Hydronium^~Hydroxide^{~ (Talk)~~} 10:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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