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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC) reply

The Butterfly Lovers (2008 film)

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Film appears to fail WP:NFILM, as only 1 source cited, which is simply stating box office receipts, and only blog reviews found in a BEFORE. DonaldD23 talk to me 21:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Comment Keep I don't blame people unable to do WP:Before in Chinese. But this film clearly has way more google search result. Also, note that Ming Pao back archive has paywall, Apple Daily has been shut down, so that online source is not the whole world of sources.
And i forgot Epoch Times qualify as WP:RS or not. But here is the webpage regarding this film: https://www.epochtimes.com/b5/8/11/7/n2322352.htm Matthew hk ( talk) 04:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply
And these are the gossip (aka entertainment) news from Liberty Times regarding the same film. [1] [2] Matthew hk ( talk) 04:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply
And as i said, Ming Pao has paywall, but i found a mirrored copy of a Ming Pao article by professional film critic of HK, 石琪, regarding this film https://www.douban.com/note/20078044/ Matthew hk ( talk) 04:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Keep Search results available in google and also reliable source and casts of movies is also trustful 1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrycruise01 ( talk • contribs) 09:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - As noted above, seems to be RS for this. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 02:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Selected film reviews:
      1. Fonoroff, Paul (2008-10-09). "Butterfly Lovers". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The film review notes: "It is hard not to rate Butterfly Lovers in terms of its more famous predecessors, like the operatic The Love Eterne (1963), with Betty Loh Tih and Ivy Ling Po delivering unforgettable performances; and Tsui Hark's inspired The Lovers (1994). Charlie Young Choi-nei and Nicky Wu Chi-lung showed what charismatic heartthrobs could do with Liang and Zhu. Hopefully Liang and Zhu will encounter a kinder fate next time."

      2. Teo, Jasmine (2008-10-15). "Short cuts: Butterfly Lovers". The Straits Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The film review notes: "The premise of the lovers meeting in a third lifetime in this martial arts world is an interesting one. But viewers might want to look to director Tsui Hark's 1994 version (starring Charlie Yeung and Nicky Wu) for a more convincing version of this beloved classic."

      3. Kei, Sek (2008-10-13). "《武俠梁祝》比預期有趣" ["Butterfly Lovers" is more interesting than expected]. Ming Pao (in Chinese).

        The film review notes from Google Translate: "The casting is good, Hong Kong Ah Sa is lively, lively and affectionate, Taiwan idol Wu Chun is very handsome and loyal, becoming a beautiful young couple. This young boy and girl had a predestined relationship in the past life, they fell in love with each other in the beautiful scenery and fell in love in the dream-like Butterfly Valley, which can be regarded as a popular romance."

        It further notes from Google Translate: "This film uses Liang Zhu's culture as martial arts, which can be established in general, but it is far-fetched to turn an infatuated enemy into a wicked and evil one, and the martial arts are exaggerated and distorted. The male protagonist still runs around and talks about the arrow and the sword, which makes people laugh. In the latter part, in addition to fighting and fighting, it also concocted poignant and tragic feelings. In addition, the layout of suspended animation in "Romeo and Juliet" added suspense, which could have turned sadness into joy, but the ending disappointed me."

    2. Additional sources:
      1. Juna (2008-08-05). "吴尊最难忘帮阿Sa洗脚 尴尬无比感觉像脱衣服" [Wu Zun's most memorable moment was helping Ah Sa to wash her feet: Embarrassing as it feels like undressing] (in Chinese). NetEase. Archived from the original on 2008-08-28. Retrieved 2022-01-29 – via China Internet Information Center.

        The article notes from Google Translate: "Wu Zun and Ah Sa co-starred in the new film "Martial Arts Liang Zhu" which will be released next month. The two attended the Hong Kong Animation Festival today to sign the comic book photo album of "Martial Arts Liang Zhu"."

      2. "'Butterfly Lovers' issue posters". China Internet Information Center. 2008-08-01. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes: "Three posters of the romantic action flick "Butterfly Lovers" were released on Thursday, featuring lead actor Chun Wu, Hu Ge and actress Charlene Choi in costumes."

      3. "忙宣傳《武俠梁祝》吳尊外幣虧百萬" [Busy promoting "Butterfly Lovers": Wu Zun lost millions in foreign currency]. Liberty Times (in Chinese). 2008-10-20. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes from Google Translate: "Last week, the box office of Butterfly Lovers was about 640,000 in Taipei. Hong Kong fans in Xinyi Roadshow and Jinghua Ximanke Studios on the 19th, each packaged a ticket for idol Wu Zun, about 200 seats each, and bought an additional 200 Several tickets were given to the Good Shepherd Foundation for charity, and nearly NT$140,000 was spent before and after."

      4. 李光爵 (2008-09-18). "吳尊狠腳色出人命 踹到武行癲癇發作" [Wu Zun's ruthless role is fatal: Kick to Wuxing epileptic seizure]. Liberty Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes from Google Translate: "When Wu Zun was filming the Hong Kong film "Wu Xia Liang Zhu" directed by Ma Chucheng, he kicked the opponent so hard that he had an epileptic seizure and was sent to the hospital for emergency treatment, causing Wu Zun to be dumbfounded on the spot."

      5. 李光爵 (2008-09-09). "哈林尬吳尊 零食吃到飽" [Harlem Yu with Wu Zun: All-you-can-eat snacks]. Liberty Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes from Google Translate: ""Harlem" Yu Chengqing has good hosting skills and first-class humor. In the new film Butterfly Lovers, he plays the important clown "Uncle Grass Head", which is very tricky inside and outside the play."

      6. "Choi the first choice for Butterfly role". South China Morning Post. 2008-04-19. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes: "The director said he wanted the lead character to have a boyish appeal and thought Chung would be too 'girly'. He was about to rewrite it to fit Chung but Ah Sa got back to him and said the film would fit her schedule, so the role went back to her, he said."

      7. Teo, Jasmine (2008-10-17). "Flirt like a butterfly - Actor-singer Wu Chun insists he is just friends with Butterfly Lovers co-star Charlene Choi". The Straits Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes: "In Jingle Ma's pugilistic version of the doomed romance between Liang Shanbo and Zhu Yingtai, the beloved Chinese classic of the same title, Wu stars as Liang Zhongshan, a senior disciple in Soul Ease Clan martial arts school. He meets Zhu Yanzhi (Choi), who impersonates a man in order to explore the world and learn martial arts."

      8. Chu, Karen (2008-03-17). "Big Media orders Chinese". The Hollywood Reporter. Associated Press. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes: "“Butterfly Lovers,” a high-profile action-romance by director Jingle Ma, headlines the 2008 slate. Charlene Choi (“Kung Fu Dunk”), of the pop duo Twins, has replaced her scandal-plagued bandmate Gillian Chung to star with Wu Chun in the update of the oft-adapted folk tale."

      9. Teo, Jasmine (2008-10-31). "now showing". The Straits Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes: "Director Tsui Hark's 1994 film is a more convincing interpretation of this classic tale of doomed lovers Liang Shanbo and Zhu Yingtai. JT"

      10. "Charlene Choi replaces Gillian Chung in movie". The Straits Times. 2008-04-14. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29 – via AsiaOne.

        The article notes: "Choi will co-star with Wu Chun, the Brunei-born heart-throb from boyband Fahrenheit, in a movie based on the classic tale of doomed romance between scholarly hero Liang Shanbo and cross-dressing heroine Zhu Yingtai."

      11. Coonan, Clifford (2009-03-12). "Chinese disrupt 'Mulan' shoot: Villagers take revenge for earlier film shoot". Variety. Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29.

        The article notes: "Ma scored big last year with “Butterfly Lovers,” starring Charlene Choi and Wu Chun."

      12. 陈玲莉; 汪现; 孙立新 (2008-02-20). "马楚成来蓉谈不雅照主角：这件事没有谁对谁错" [Jingle Ma talks about the protagonist of indecent photos: no one is right or wrong in this matter]. Chengdu Evening News [ zh (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-01-29. Retrieved 2022-01-29 – via Sina Corporation.

        The article notes from Google Translate: "A joint protest was launched, asking Wu Zun to resign from the role of "Liang Shanbo"."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Butterfly Lovers ( Chinese: 武俠梁祝) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard ( talk) 10:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Keep passes WP:GNG per the sources found by Cunard. The movie is a influential film. One of the best films I've ever watched during the my childhood (in India). A sleeper hit movie at that time. I miss my childhood again. VocalIndia ( talk) 19:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC) reply
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