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The result was no consensus to delete, after much-extended time for discussion. It does not appear likely that further relisting will generate a clearer outcome. BD2412 T 21:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC) reply

The Base (political party)

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Very minor political party, has never participated on its own in an election or won seats on any level of government MatryoshkaNL ( talk) 12:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. MatryoshkaNL ( talk) 12:46, 6 November 2020 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 13:13, 6 November 2020 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 13:47, 6 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The party adds information to Wikipedia that may not be found elsewhere, and just because it is small doesn't mean it shouldn't have an article ;and just because it hasn't won many offices doesn't mean it isn't notable. The Vermont Progressive Party hasn't won many offices and you can view it here on Wikipedia. Dswitz10734 ( talk) 19:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment / keep. I'd like to point out that the party has in fact participated on its own in the 2014 and 2018 municipal elections (in Amsterdam and Utrecht, which are the largest and fourth largest municipalities in terms of population). I agree with the points made by @ Dswitz10734: the article provides a collection of information that may not be found elsewhere, and the party's notability is not determined by the number of seats it has won. ― Ætoms talk 21:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete based on current article references. @ Dswitz10734 and Ætoms: It is true that seats won do not determine notability. A party could get no seats whatsoever yet get reported on for whatever reason and become notable that way. The Pirate Party (Netherlands) comes to mind. (the Dutch article has more sources) The reverse while less common can also happen: a party may actually get seats but be so bland that nobody can be bothered to write about them, in which case the party wouldn't be notable despite having seats. Trying to interpret Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria I see the following references in the article: [1] (not independent), [2] (valid source), [3] (not significant) and [4]. (not independent)
A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.
There is only one in the article references. My vote (and perhaps that of others) could change if more sources are added. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 11:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ Alexis Jazz: you're right! I expanded the article and added more independent secondary sources. ― Ætoms talk 14:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Would appreciate a discussion on the sources added by User:Ætoms
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | [squeal] || 01:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • [5] no depth, insignificant
  • [6] insignificant mention on a list
  • [7] insignificant mention on a list
  • [8] very little depth
  • [9] not super deep, but I'll accept this one
  • [10] mostly passing mention
  • [11] "where are the lijsttrekkers that lost now" article, no information about the party
  • [12] no information about the party
  • [13] election results, no mention in the article text
So the only sources we have here that establish some notability are [14] (the one we already had) which is good and [15] for which I'm probably being lenient to allow it. Does this satisfy being the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject? I guess two is technically multiple, but I don't feel overly convinced. The party has plenty of passing mentions (as most new political parties do), but those don't count towards notability according to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria. I don't feel like it's enough to change my vote. If there were one more proper in-depth article, I'd probably vote keep, but as it is.. Sorry. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 15:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Again, a political party isn't notable based on offices won. Plus, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is an essay, not a policy. It is an opinion that some editors agree with. I am aware that Wikipedia is not a database, however when people want information, they like to turn to Wikipedia. To keep content and valuable information on Wikipedia, we must keep this article. I suggest we find out how many page views per day it gets and go from there. -- Dswitz10734 ( talk) 12:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ Dswitz10734: I recently looked at Devin Stone/ LegalEagle, a YouTube channel with 1.36M subscribers who also appeared on well known channels like Half as Interesting, Dr. Mike and Tom Scott. When you enter "legal eagle" on Google, one of the suggestions is "legal eagle wikipedia", so people are looking for the article already. And most are probably not looking for the airplane the article title redirects to now. I'm sure such an article would get views. But to my surprise, I couldn't quite find enough sources to establish notability. So alas, no article for now. Though where I expect Devin Stone/LegalEagle to become notable under current guidelines possibly fairly soon, I'm less sure about The Base. Page views don't establish notability. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 20:36, 17 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ Alexis Jazz, Wikipedia is made to help people. It's made to make information free to everyone. I understand that Wikipedia is not a database, but making reliable facts free to everyone is Wikipedia's mission. Perhaps Merging would be a better option than deleting. If someone who is reading this supports the idea of merging, please look for a page to merge with, or consider creating a Minor Political Parties in the Netherlands or the already existing List of political parties in the Netherlands.
  • I just added [16] to the article, which – in my opinion – also qualifies as a valid secondary source. ― Ætoms talk 14:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ Ætoms: OOG is the local broadcaster for Groningen. (the city, not the province) WP:ORGCRIT requires attention from international, national, or at least regional media. To what degree local media can help to establish notability is unclear, the policy seemingly suggests that local media could be used if at least one other source is regional or wider. But my interpretation of the policy may be flawed. Another issue is that I can't find OOG's editorial policy. (required by WP:RS) They most likely have one ( "OOG staat voor haar journalistieke uitgangspunten" hints at this), perhaps it is also published somewhere, but I can't find it. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 16:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • For what it's worth, I think I would swing to neutral if OOG turns out to have published their editorial policy. — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 07:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Here is the link for pageviews: [17] Dswitz10734 ( talk) 16:16, 17 November 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Based on the improvements/additions made since AfD nomination alone, I would like to keep. I know this is not a scientific reason, but several hundred voters made the effort to support this party - I'd prefer to be able to look them up with even the rudimentary information provided in the article.-- Concertmusic ( talk) 22:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC) reply
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