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The result was no consensus. Before renominating, consider merging to HOT article. So Why 18:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Tal Granot Goldstein
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Doubtful notability. Struggling to find any independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:BIO. Run-of-the-mill businessman. Created by a WP:SPA. Edwardx ( talk) 14:58, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:45, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep CEO of HOT, one of Israel's leading telecom companies (cable tv, data, land lines, and cellular). She has lots of coverage in Hebrew [1]. HOT is no longer public, but when it was a few years ago it had a market cap of around a billion USD. It is currently worth more (possibly as high as 3, probably around 1.5. Icewhiz ( talk) 16:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep, article needs sourcing, but sources exist for this CEO os a major corporation. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:10, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- @ E.M.Gregory: it would be useful if you could list a couple of specific sources which you consider meeting WP:BIO. Then people could evaluate those. And, I suggest this be relisted (yes, a third time), to allow another week for this to happen.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 15:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 15:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete -- The coverage offered above is routine, as in:
- "Hal Granot Goldstein, CEO of the HOT Group, said: "Alongside the expansion of HOT's core product and the launch of HOT [something], and soon Netflix integration into the product..." Etc.
- Source: "The competition for viewers continues: HOT launches Rami Levy's television". This is just the subject promoting the company; it's not a source about her.
- Such coverage does not establish notability independent of the company, and notability is not inherited from it. A $1bln company is not large enough for its CEO to be presumed notable. If there are better sources available, I'd be happy to look at them. K.e.coffman ( talk) 07:16, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:Run-of-the-mill executive. The RS mentions are brief and routine, subject doesn't seem to have attracted in-depth coverage sufficient to establish notability. PohranicniStraze ( talk) 02:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:15, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:15, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep and more Edit subject is notable but the references should be more improved Leodikap ( talk) 15:59, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete Non-notable CEO with limited depth of coverage beyond press releases. Per PohranicniStraze, WP:MILL applies as the subject did not accomplish anything that would make her stand out from other CEOs in the industry, and thus should not be considered of encyclopedic value. Note that her primary achievement (CEO of HOT) should not convey undue notability on her per WP:NOTINHERITED.-- SamHolt6 ( talk) 17:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment as far as her title, I'm unsure of the relationship between HOT and Altice; [2] suggests they were merged as of 2016, but Altice suggests the merger hasn't happened yet. I've added the inter-wiki link to her page on the Hebrew wikipedia, which does have more references. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 06:30, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- My understanding is that HOT is fully owned by Altice. Patrick Drahi bought control of HOT, a few years ago, and when they went private (buying out all or most of the other shareholders, and redeeming issued bonds) - it was placed under the Altice structure. The company is however an Israeli company (and I believe it is required to be so). Granot Goldstein is one of the youngest (male or female) CEOs of a major Israeli company (which HOT is - a market cap of over a billion USD is considered big in Israel). The name of HOT may change in the future to Altice, or Altice Israel (they are discussing this, hasn't been finalized yet). Icewhiz ( talk) 06:40, 17 September 2017 (UTC) Regarding a full merger (and not a subsidiary wholly owned by Altice, possibly with the Altice brand (not yet)) - I believe this is not possible in the regulatory framework - which requires an Israeli company for several of HOT's operations. Icewhiz ( talk) 06:42, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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