- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. So Why 11:32, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Sammie Okposo
- Sammie Okposo ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable individual lacking WP:SECONDARY, in-depth, non-trivial support. reddogsix ( talk) 15:52, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 16:37, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 16:37, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: I am sorry but this must be a joke, this is like the topest gospel musician in Nigeria. Obviously didn't do a WP:BEFORE same way Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lanre da Silva was approached. HandsomeBoy ( talk) 12:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Comment-I suggest you review the requirements for inclusion into Wikipedia. Where are the in-depth, non-trivial supporting articles? The WP:BEFORE review showed such important support as, "Exposed: "'Sammie Okposo Is A Shameless Wife Beater!'", "I’ve no regrets marrying late", and "Some of my friends turned to armed robbery – Sammie Okposo". Hardly in-depth, non-trivial. The articles are PR puff pieces. reddogsix ( talk) 15:18, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- There is something I have noticed about your editing style. You find it hard to admit that you might have made a mistake, even when you realize it. This makes it difficult for you to learn from it. Please learn to use Google in a more effective manner next time. For the sake of those who are genuinely unfamiliar with him, I'll do the search. Sammie Okposo meets every relevant notability criteria on Wikipedia, from WP:ANYBIO, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. When you speak of relevant awards, Sammie has won Kora Awards, as the best in Africa Africa Kora Awards 2005 winners; Sammie Okposo Wins Best Gospel Award 2014; Sammie Okposo wins NEA Award For Gospel Artiste Of The Year; 2013 Nigeria Entertainment Awards: Full List of Winners & Scoop; Sammy Okposo to open NEA show in NY, etc
- When you talk of administration, he was once the head of gospel musicians association in Nigeria Sammie Okposo not fit to lead gospel musicians, Says Asu Ekiye, Sammy Okposo, Asu Ekiye Battle For Leadership Of Gospel Musicians
- Significant coverage are so many, we have no control over what reliable sources use as their headlines, these are just a few that Google returned as top: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Top Gospel Musicians making waves, He is noted to have been a pioneer of soundtrack in Nollywood video film era here, http://www.punchng.com/nigerian-gospel-artistes-treated-as-royals-abroad-okposo/ Nigerian gospel artistes treated as royals abroad, Sammie Okposo’s Live Video For “A Marvelous Thing” Hits 100K Views In 3 Weeks!, Gospel singer postpones release date of album "S.W.A.G", etc.
- Comment - @HandsomeBoy - I absolutely love it when I run into people that can read my mind and know me so well. LOL...you have no idea.
- Brief mentions, puff pieces, and listings do not make significant, in-depth mentions. I can't comment on the significance of the awards. I am no expert, but I would like to see someone else chime in besides you. Hence the AfD. I will also support DMacks comment about
WP:UNCIVIL. Your comments do not reflect the the community of Wikipedia and frankly I am surprised by your comment telling him to keep his, "...advice to yourself." I highly suggest you refrain from continued comments on the AfD unless you read and understand
WP:UNCIVIL. Disagreements are common place in discussions, but
WP:UNCIVIL comments are not appreciated by the community.
reddogsix (
talk) 23:13, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- You also need to learn to put WP:BEFORE and AFD guidelines in practice, and not nominate articles based on your liking. And don't make this about me, when its actually you. I go through AFD lists daily, and participates in the ones that interest me. As rightly said, civil disagreement with the nominator and !voters is something that happens often, what I find appalling is when the nominator is insensitive towards guidelines and facts. I thought the cummulative argument of you and your probable WP:TAGTEAM was that this AFD wasn't even warranted, now that I've given some references that show some sort of significance, you have changed to putting out the AFD inorder to determine if they are sufficient. I am happy you are starting to learn that you need to take it easy or increase your efficiency. Let me end by saying most of the information in the article are 100% factual even though they were unsourced. This is a problem with most notable pre-2010 Nigerian entertainers. Once again, I say the way reliable source cover notable entertainers is not within our power, once notability is established and independent coverage are numerous a decent article can always be written. If you continue to reply me on my vote, I'll continue to comment. If you don't want me to comment anymore on this AFD, then don't reply me. You don't have the moral justification to tell me when to stop commenting in an AFD discussion. I'm even tired of your uninformed and biased lectures disguised as good faith advice. HandsomeBoy ( talk) 10:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. I just went through it and every cited ref for claims of notability is bogus. I tagged them as such. We're pretty much at {{ db-band}} here. DMacks ( talk) 17:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting. So you usually !vote only based on ref in an article, not from Google results, wow. you're such a considerate Wikipedia editor. Now I understand better what Jimbo was saying on his talkpage some weeks ago.
HandsomeBoy (
talk) 18:39, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Others say it failed BEFORE and cleaned it up, and I say it now doesn't even merit a full AFD but here we are with a chance for those who know about this topic to get into action. The fact that there are claims of notability with cites that do not support them is not a good-faith attempt at writing a viable article and the
WP:BURDEN isn't mine. The claims are so vague and
WP:PEACOCK I don't even know how to look many of them up. I advise you not to dig yourself into a deeper
WP:CIVIL hole if you wish to continue to participate.
DMacks (
talk) 18:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Please keep your advice to yourself, I don't need one from a Wikipedian that participates in an AFD without using Google. Even if this article is deleted, it doesn't affect my work here. I'll move on very easily. HandsomeBoy ( talk) 19:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Others say it failed BEFORE and cleaned it up, and I say it now doesn't even merit a full AFD but here we are with a chance for those who know about this topic to get into action. The fact that there are claims of notability with cites that do not support them is not a good-faith attempt at writing a viable article and the
WP:BURDEN isn't mine. The claims are so vague and
WP:PEACOCK I don't even know how to look many of them up. I advise you not to dig yourself into a deeper
WP:CIVIL hole if you wish to continue to participate.
DMacks (
talk) 18:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting. So you usually !vote only based on ref in an article, not from Google results, wow. you're such a considerate Wikipedia editor. Now I understand better what Jimbo was saying on his talkpage some weeks ago.
HandsomeBoy (
talk) 18:39, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG. Article could use expansion and improved referencing, not deletion per WP:ATD. Hmlarson ( talk) 22:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, I'm surprised this is even AfDable! Subject passes WP:GNG, as there have been multiple significant coverages by the Nigerian media. - Mahveotm ( talk) 05:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep LMAO. This is the best joke of the year. Subject is very much notable. Mredidiongekong ( talk) 09:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - The KEEP voters above, other than HandsomeBoy, need to add some evidence beyond merely saying that Okposo is notable. HandsomeBoy found many useful sources and it is true that a lot of them (but not all) are quick mentions, but Okposo has certainly won plenty of prestigious awards and was covered in African media for doing so. Here are some additional interviews and media profiles: [1], [2], [3]. A lot of little sources are adding up pretty well here. The article needs expansion, not deletion. Also, keep me out of the uncivil arguments above. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 15:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.