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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Sad Frosty

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This doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NSINGER imho. Almost all of the coverage is about his death, and I'm not sure if his death is a notable event. Comments please! ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, and United States of America. ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Delete He's got brief coverage at grammy.com [1] but that's about all. He wasn't notable as a musician, no charted songs that I can see. Sad, but non-notable for our purposes. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  Considering he was with the Empire label and released 2 albums on the label (1 posthumous) wouldn't he pass notability per 5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable) of WP:NSINGER. The coverage about his death also present him as an already notable figure, calling him by his artist name and citing his popularity. Célestin Denis ( talk) 18:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Empire is not so much a label as it is a client distribution service. It is used by both major labels and unsigned, independent contractors as a way of getting their music out on their own dime. That appears to be the case for this artist. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 19:18, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Has the topic of people gaining coverage from their death being announced been brought up in the past? I thought there might be precedent for this after seeing Technoblade, who had no prehumous coverage in reliable sources get an article only citing sources announcing his passing. Does death falls into WP:BLP1E? Célestin Denis ( talk) 21:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Célestin Denis: The sources that talk about Technoblade's death go in depth about him and discuss his impact as a YouTuber. The sources covering Sad Frosty's death do not have that same level of coverage. — VersaceSpace 🌃 23:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Although the coverage might not be the same, the sources mentioning Sad Frosty's death also mention his popularity as a rapper, his collaborations, the albums he released, his promotional use of TikTok, etc. Enough information surrounding his career comes from those reliable sources covering his death. Célestin Denis ( talk) 23:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC) reply

"On TikTok, he posted comedy clips and behind-the-scenes footage of him filming music videos", as found in the Insider piece is not in-depth coverage. Whether there's enough to write about is not the argument. Wikipedia has notability guidelines, and Sad Frosty doesn't meet them. — VersaceSpace 🌃 23:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Célestin Denis: pinging — VersaceSpace 🌃 23:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Sorry for the previous ping, hit the button on accident. I don't see how Sad Frosty doesn't fit criteria 1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. Célestin Denis ( talk) 00:02, 28 September 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Célestin Denis: the articles need to be about the person though, not an event that happened to them. I created an article on Kenneth Petty (look it up), which got deleted because he's only notable for one event. Do you see what I'm getting at here? — VersaceSpace 🌃 00:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete. I agree with the nominator, he only gained recognition because of his death. He wasn't wikipedia standard notable at all and his songs don't make it any better. `~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 20:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC) reply

"his songs don't make it any better.", that sounds like a biased opinion. Célestin Denis ( talk) 00:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete, I mean, it is true that his songs don't make it any better. My eyes almost rolled back into my brain after seeing "CARDIBDRUGGEDME" on his Spotify page. It doesn't seem like there was any coverage about Sad Frosty prior to his death. Criteria 5 of WP:NMUSICIAN doesn't apply because Empire is not a major label (Warner, UMG, Sony). — VersaceSpace 🌃 14:38, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom. Ref ^(chew) (do) 18:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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