Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Restaurant_Standard_Buffet References

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Keeps outweigh deletes but not enough for a definitive result. (non-admin closure) Night fury 10:13, 8 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Restaurant Standard Buffet

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Not verifiable railcruft. The only references I find are Wikipedia mirrors and mention in lists of railroad car names (such as [1]), none of which supports any of the claims in the article. In particular, the article claims the car is in use in the USA, while the only references I find that use the term are British. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 03:35, 25 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Delete. Clear case of original research. Ajf773 ( talk) 04:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC) reply
Neutral for now. Keep I think that the article originally referred to a type of British passenger rail coach, it seems to have been hijacked in this edit, one of only two made by that user. Contemporary sources available to me - such as Pritchard, Robert; Hall, Peter (2014). British Railways Locomotives & Coaching Stock 2014. Sheffield: Platform 5 Publishing. p. 113. ISBN 978-1-909431-09-6. - show that there were thirty Mark 4 standard-class buffet cars converted from first-class, each having thirty seats. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 12:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC) reply
Changed to keep since it's looking better and has lost the USA claim. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 11:06, 27 January 2018 (UTC) reply
delete per WP:TNT. I'm seeing similar results: there was Mk4 RSB, and it's clear that "B" stood for "Buffet", but it seems untrue that "RS" stood for "Restaurant Standard", or for that matter that "RSB" stood for a general class of cars other than this one small set. It looks to me as though "obliterate and start over" is the right approach here, unless someone can find a source that says anything like what some version of this article ever said. I am absolutely sure that the USA claim is utterly false: there's no Amfleet car like this, and pre-Amtrak railroads didn't use that kind of language, or for that mater, serve food that way. Mangoe ( talk) 16:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC) reply

We have moved on to something that at least might be true, but the original rationale now obtains: considering the work it took to verify that the things exist, the description of them needs some citation. Mangoe ( talk) 13:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Weak keep I was initially going to support this for deletion, but I then also found the long list of British rail coach types here and I was going to be ironic and say "hey, you wouldn't expect to find articles on all these silly terms like Composite Corridor, or Tourist Standard Open or First Open, or First Corridor" - oh, but then you do! I see there's a template for these UK (not USA, by the way) train carriage types, which I've now added to the article, and have inserted photos of RSB carriages on the British rail network from Commons, too. Randomly deleting the odd article from a suite of related pages seems pointless, but at worst a redirect to British Rail coach designations seems appropriate. Nick Moyes ( talk) 01:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC) reply
Keep in the context of UK rail. There are articles on UK carriage types of which this is one. Niche, but worth improving and keeping. welsh ( talk) 08:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:13, 1 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Merge. It's definitely a real concept, but I have to wonder if there's enough material to justify a standalone article separate from British Rail Mark 4 or British Rail coach designations. With Tourist Standard Open, you can do it because you can compare across four car types. Mackensen (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC) reply

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