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The result was keep, per additional sources found in Czech. bd2412 T 20:31, 4 May 2018 (UTC) reply

Republic of Peščenica

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Article still has no references after 10 years. Checked the two interwiki sites: they duplicate each other's content, and their refs (all 3 of them: a blog about a river, a dead link, and a story about a neighborhood party) don't seem to create a picture of notability. If there are any English sources that discuss this "micronation", I could not identify them. A loose noose ( talk) 07:24, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen ( talk) 07:56, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen ( talk) 07:56, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• Redirect to Nightmare Stage. This micronation isn't even a micronation in the "conventional" sense, just a satirical element of a defunct Croatian TV show. There's no hope of notability independent of the show. Under the perhaps-optimistic belief that the show itself is notable, a redirect is the sensible outcome. Squeamish Ossifrage ( talk) 01:21, 12 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• Hard to say. This was indeed only tongue-in-cheek, not an actual micronation in any sense, but Malnar's Nightmare Stage was to be a pretty big deal for almost two decades; the show and its characters were a somewhat regular fixture in the media. What bothers me here is lack of commentary -- the secondary sources I can find are just reports of Republika Peščenica stunts on and off TV. Given the wide coverage of Malnar, I'd be surprised if there wasn't an opinion piece by a blue-link-worthy journalist about Republika Peščenica somewhere. However, as many of the major Croatian publications of the 90s and early 00s don't have online archives reaching that far, if their articles even were published online, the chances of finding it today aren't good. Maybe it would be best to merge this into the Nightmare Stage article for now. Daß  Wölf 02:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• I'd go along with a merge. A loose noose ( talk) 02:27, 15 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep Merge to Nightmare Stage. Hard to make the case for standalone notability, even if there is evidence of continued WP:GNG coverage ( [1], [2] (in Croatian)). GregorB ( talk) 09:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• I'm kind of leaning more toward a keep now. I've even found what seems to be significant coverage in Czech [3] (in a comparison to Liberland 5 years after Nightmare Stage ended and 2 years after Malnar's death). I'd say that articles about it in context of Liberland (e.g. also [4] [5]) outweigh the TV show's scope, although there seem to be very few of those with non-trivial coverage, and I'm still not sure if there's a proper article to be had with so few sources. Daß  Wölf 23:01, 16 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• That's very interesting - Czech! And what is even more interesting, it seems to be discussed independent of the "main topic" (Nightmare Stage), which may well be forgotten soon, as TV shows usually are. Changing therefore to keep. GregorB ( talk) 07:44, 17 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• Yeah, that clearly passes GNG. I'll formally vote keep too. Daß  Wölf 17:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep. I dislike to pull the ad hominem arguments, but is it strange that a user with almost nothing but a picture (of a gallows!?) on his userpage goes around and nominates the articles for deletion? The deletionism smothers the projects. Kubura ( talk) 19:30, 16 April 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Aside from the userpage picture, do you have some more arguments in favor of keeping the article? GregorB ( talk) 19:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep per what I can see in the Google Translate of GregorB's sources, although the article could use some cleanup and copy editing.-- Ahecht ( TALK
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