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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing
Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed
Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement.
WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded with no helpful rationale (despite the fact that I explicitly asked for one in the PROD). Yet another example that PRODs are vulnerable to abuse. Let's discuss then - can anyone find anything to salvage this? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 02:02, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Yet again, there's nothing in the nomination to distinguish it from the rest of this cookie-cutter bundle. This is a vehicle used by
Robin, the boy wonder who has been around for 80 years and so has an extensive history of his own. A quick browse soon turns up details such as its construction in Batman & Robin: The Making of the Movie. Applicable policies include
WP:ATD;
WP:BEFORE;
WP:IMPERFECT;
WP:NEXIST;
WP:NOTPAPER;
WP:PRESERVE and so there is no case for deletion.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 09:50, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Andrew, applicable policies also include
WP:GNG,
WP:SIGCOV, and
WP:MILL (sources regurgitating the same plot summaries seems pretty run of the mill for fictional topics to me). I haven't done a full search yet, but I'm not seeing much to indicate the other policies are met.
Hog FarmBacon 14:02, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
WP:SIGCOV is part of
WP:GNG and just a guideline.
WP:MILL is just an essay and so is worthless. A policy such as
WP:ATD is stronger and more relevant, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Improvement is clearly possible as, unlike the nominator, I took the time to find a relevant source.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 15:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
You quote essays and guidelines all the time, so you'll perhaps excuse us taking this with a large grain of salt. How about
WP:AGF?
Ravenswing 15:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)reply
WP:GNG is a guideline and so explicitly admits of exceptions. Insofar as the policy/guideline/essay stuff means anything, it's that policies trump guidelines and I cited a stack of policies. Deletionists only consider GNG because they think it justifies wholesale deletion. It doesn't because the policy
WP:ATD usually applies and so improvement/merger is preferable.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 14:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Andrew Davidson: This absolutely is not another one of those "cookie-cutter nominations". The reason why the nominations were disruptive beforehand is specifically because certain parties were indiscriminately digging up as many c-class character articles as possible, flooding
WP:AFD with a multitude of nominations within a short period of time, copy/pasting invalid rationales like
"fails to establish notability" on every one, and (in some case) were
actively lying to get articles deleted. That is not what is happening here.
Piotrus is following deletion protocol perfectly fine, and is even checking for sources beforehand. If a
WP:BEFORE test fails, the onus is on YOU to prove that coverage exists. Darkknight2149 21:53, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Light Merge/Redirect to
Robin (character). The coverage of either version of this vehicle in reliable sources is minimal. Even the coverage in the book that Andrew brings up is, as far as I can see in the preview, limited to two pictures/captions, and one sentence in which it is tangentially mentioned.
Tim Drake is the Robin who the vehicle is most closely associated with, but since it also appeared as a motorcycle in
Batman and Robin driven by
Dick Grayson, the overall main article on Robin would be the more appropriate place to mention it.
Rorshacma (
talk) 16:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: per nom. There's really nothing to merge,
multiple possible redirect targets, and I question the title's value as a search term: the "Redbird" disambiguation page, with several dozen entries, shows that. (As to that, the subject's mention on that page is likely all the info that's needed.)
Ravenswing 15:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
T. Canens (
talk) 23:44, 8 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge with
Robin, per Rorshacma. The article does not meet GNG, but merging is a better option than deleting.
Rhino131 (
talk) 18:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete or redirect - Insufficient real world content to justify an article. Being mentioned in a reliable source is not the same as significant coverage in a reliable source.
TTN (
talk) 21:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply
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