The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Royal Dental Hospital. Consensus is that this is the notable topic, not the building that housed it. Sandstein 21:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Radisson Blu Edwardian Hampshire Hotel

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Not notable enough for an article. See Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill. GloriaJFM ( talk) 06:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete. I agree that this is not notable, and, like all the others in this group (for which I also prefer delete) it reads like a piece of advertising. Both of the sources cited are publicity puffery. Athel cb ( talk) 07:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 12:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep WP:MILL is an essay and so has "no official status, and do[es] not speak for the Wikipedia community". See A; B; C and D. Andrew🐉( talk) 12:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC) reply
•  Administrator note: Nominator has been blocked for sockpuppetry. ✗ plicit 13:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 12:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC) reply

• Move to draft, but with the intent that this should be expanded and very likely kept. The fact that this is a Radisson hotel is of no moment, but the fact that this is apparently a substantial nearly 150-year-old building in the middle of London suggests that a notable history will be found. BD2412 T 20:35, 24 July 2021 (UTC) reply
• Note according to the edwardian.com reference the building was formerly the Royal Dental Hospital, which is a redirect to St Thomas' Hospital. TSventon ( talk) 04:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • That appears to check out. If better sources are found to add this information before the end of the time for discussion, my !vote will be to keep. BD2412 T 04:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • BD2412 the link you added has a list of references at the end, including a book on the hospital. The Victoria County History The Survey of London suggests that edwardian.com is confused (and so is the article). The hospital moved to a new building at 40-42 Leicester Square in 1874 and then to another new building at 31-36 in 1901, which is now used by the hotel. TSventon ( talk) 14:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply

    I have adjusted this in the article. BD2412 T 16:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply

• Move Redirect to Royal Dental Hospital possibly via draft. The hospital is just about notable. TSventon ( talk) 14:31, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ TSventon: Now I am thinking that it should be titled 31-36 Leicester Square. It hasn't been a hospital for over 35 years. BD2412 T 16:40, 25 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ BD2412: I have drafted an article about the hospital at Draft:Royal Dental Hospital without using the hotel article. I think the sources listed by "Lost Hospitals of London" establish the notability of the hospital, although The Victoria County History The Survey of London also discusses the known history of the site. As the building was built for the hospital and the hotel which took over doesn't seems to be notable, the hotel article could be redirected to the hospital article. TSventon ( talk) 13:46, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • I tend to agree that the hotel is not independently notable, and should not be the subject of its own article, but I think that the Royal Dental Hospital and the building that once housed it may be separately and independently notable. BD2412 T 15:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • @ BD2412: Do you mean that the building may be notable separately from the hospital? I have made a WP:RM/TR to publish Draft:Royal Dental Hospital. You are welcome to add your text about the hospital from the Hampshire Hotel article to the new draft/article. TSventon ( talk) 16:09, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    • @ Andrew Davidson: I have written a short article about the hospital which occupied the building before the hotel, the Royal Dental Hospital and think the hotel article could be redirected to the new article. My WP:BEFORE search did not find significant coverage of the hotel. What do you think? TSventon ( talk) 23:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • This discussion was started by a disruptive deletionist who has now been blocked. It should have been speedily closed per WP:DENY but instead it has been relisted and so the troll will be now enjoying the fact that we are still spending time picking up the pieces – tsk. The proposal to delete this is nonsense because, when one looks into it, as TSventon has done, one finds that there's a lot to say about this historic place. TSventon's new page is something of a fork but, as it focusses on the hospital and that had several locations during its long life, that's best kept separate. My position remains that we should Keep the page in question as no-one has yet provided an accurate, policy-based reason to delete anything. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • @ Andrew Davidson: I stumbled on this discussion and, following up BD2412's comment that a notable history would be found, discovered information about the RDH. At that stage the article did not mention the original purpose of the building and had the wrong construction date. I considered adding to the hotel article, but after discussion here decided a separate article was justified. According to the journal Medical History ( link) the RDH was the "first British dental school", so the article could be suitable for DYK if I can expand it sufficiently within the next 6 days. I agree the original nomination was poor, but it did start a discussion about improving the article. TSventon ( talk) 11:21, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply
      • @ Andrew Davidson:, @ BD2412: I have found more sources for Royal Dental Hospital, expanded the article and nominated it for DYK, so this discussion has served some purpose. TSventon ( talk) 15:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply

• Comment- just so nobody is deceived, the speedy keep policy doesn't allow a discussion to be closed after there's been a good-faith delete !vote, even if the discussion was started by a sockpuppet. if subsequent editors added substantive comments in good faith before the nominator's blocked or banned status was discovered, the nomination may not be speedily closed. Reyk _YO! 13:07, 27 July 2021 (UTC) reply

• Redirect to Royal Dental Hospital. Hard to follow the different "move" arguments above but this target appears to be a complete overlap for the content scope. The article's title can be discussed on its talk page. czar 18:10, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Czar: sorry the discussion is confusing, when nominated the article didn't mention the hospital.

@ BD2412: do you want to update your vote, then I could collapse the conversation above to make the nomination easier to close. TSventon ( talk) 20:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

My vote remains the same. The building, as a structure, may be independently notable. It has a history that precedes and proceeds the dental hospital. BD2412 T 20:24, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

@ BD2412: Sorry, I had not previously understood what you were saying. By the way, the hotel building at 31-36 Leicester Square does not predate the hospital: it was built for the hospital in 1897-1901, see the Lost Hospitals of London site you linked to previously. I believe the 1873 building was at 40-41 Leicester Square, which was occupied by the hospital from 1874 to 1901 and is now the Odeon West End site. TSventon ( talk) 20:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.