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The result was delete. Consensus is neither the quality nor the quantity are sufficient Star Mississippi 02:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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Not convinced that there's enough here to meet WP:MUSICBIO. Claims to have "won several international and national competitions" but it's not immediately clear from the sources whether these are notable. English language sources are mainly promotional puff pieces. KH-1 ( talk) 02:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. KH-1 ( talk) 02:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The article meets criteria number 1. There are detailed critical reviews in AllHipHop and The Source.-- Roxy177 ( talk) 09:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: The review in The Source is certainly an interesting one. I ran some of the text through a search engine and found large parts of it copied verbatim from reviews of other artists.
| Pyti - The Source (Feb 2022) [1] | Eli Amari - Billboard Hip Hop (Jul 2021) [2] |
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| One of the most distinctive traits of his releases is certainly the energy, and the drive that fuels the performance of the artist. The vocals feel very animated and spontaneous, an obvious sign that this performer is actually genuinely connecting with his lyrical flow, in a much deeper way. This isn’t just another Soundcloud rapper popping out catchy hooks copy-pasted with the same old Splice sample: there is a deeper concept behind the songwriting, which really adds weight to the mix | One of the most distinctive traits of this release is certainly the energy, and the drive that fuels the performance of the artist. The vocals feel very animated and spontaneous, an obvious sign that this performer is actually genuinely connecting with his lyrics, in a much deeper way This isn’t just a puppet singer popping out catchy hooks: there is a deeper concept behind the songwriting, which really adds weight to the mix |
| In addition to the personable and edgy performance value, this release is also quite distinctive because of the sheer quality of the production. The mix is balanced and very detail-oriented, making for a lively, edgy and stark sonic approach. In other words, there are many subtle nuances in this release, which really add to the richness of the track when summed up together. The frequency spectrum of the mix is also very balanced, with a tight, yet deep low end working wonders along with a smooth top end, which adds a sense of clarity to the music. | In addition to the personable and edgy performance value, this release is also quite distinctive because of the sheer quality of the production. The mix is balanced and very detail-oriented, making for a lively, edgy and stark sonic approach. In other words, there are many subtle nuances in this release, which really add to the richness of the release when summed up together. The frequency spectrum of the mix is also very balanced, with a tight, yet deep low end working wonders along with a smooth top end, which adds a sense of clarity to the music |
- The Source article was written by "SHA BE ALLAH", while no specific author was listed for Billboard Hip hop. Even if it were the same person, it signals lazy churnalism rather than a serious review. One thing you'll notice is that it has a lot of broad statements that can be applied to just about any electronic musician. It's a similar style of writing that you also find in the AllHipHop review.-
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- That's a funny fact about this particular review. I read this one, there are a lot of unique content too, but even a few copy-pasted sentences from another artist doesn't prove much about lack of notability. We can't rely on this while discussing whether there is enough to meet WP:MUSICBIO or not.-- Roxy177 ( talk) 06:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Other parts of it are lifted from someone else's 2019 post about another artist at https://thebandcampdiaries.com/post/187924964897/nogi-friday-pendulums-nogi-friday-is-an-artist and a February 2022 review of yet another artist at https://thebandcampdiaries.com/post/675244669067788288/suaveuk-has-recently-released-a-new-project. KH-1 is right. A source that is actually a bad source, in this case turning out to be rampant plagiarism on the part of a writer at The Source and thus not even actually about this subject, does not count, and Roxy177's rationale is undermined by 1 source. Unfortunately, that leaves us with 1 source, and some searching does not turn up any more. Potential candidates turn out upon reading to be recycled press releases or an interview in the first person. Uncle G ( talk) 16:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- WP:MUSICBIO says, that "Notability is not determined by what the article says, it is determined by how well the article does or does not support the things it says by referencing them to independent verification in reliable sources.". We should use WP:RS to verify something about our subject. We can still use this source for some information. Even if "The mix is balanced and very detail-oriented" and "The frequency spectrum of the mix is also very balanced" were copied, that can be applied to just about any electronic musician. That's right. KH-1 mentioned that. We can't know whether mix is balanced or not from that source anymore, but that's why here are the others. As for The Source, there are other sentences, for example: "which is a fantastic single that brings a deeper, soothing melody to the audience. The introduction has a really smooth vibe, and the song later dives deeper into the groove, with a massive electronic beat that matches the beautiful arpeggio synths." And you can apply it exclusively to subject's single "Night Wish', because it has arpeggios and those things, etc.-- Roxy177 ( talk) 17:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Almost looks like a copyvio on their end. Non-notable here. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please, provide any additional info. Simply stating that the subject of the article is not notable does not provide reasoning as to why the subject may not be notable. We avoid saying "just notable" or "just non-notable". There are sources, a few of them are WP:RS, there are "several international and national competitions" and awards in those, which also deserve an attention. There are copy-pasted sentences in 1 source, we have discussed above, as well. -- Roxy177 ( talk) 17:32, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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