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The result was delete. I have disregarded accounts that were created purely for the purpose of "voting" here, and salted the title per advice below.
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Definite Keep as per WP:NACTOR criteria 2 (Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following) is met as per various major news/media such as
NDTV -
[1],
Hindustan Times -
[2],
Indian Express -
[3] discussing this subject.
Ashishjacob07 (
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Strong Keep. She is now a Celebrity with almost all news outlets reporting about her. — Preceding
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Quartzd (
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Keep - Now have a very large fan base and following.
Rajeshbieee (
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Delete. Movie has not released yet. Having a fan base without any professional work should not be regarded for any page to be kept.
User:Angelina Winget AW —Preceding
undated comment added 14:43, 12 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep Notable internet personality and clearly a public figure with numerous news articles, Treading on Google, Facebook, Instagram and IMDB. Wikipedia has a lot articles about internet sensation and this girl is now international level sensation which is notable for a Wiki page. --
119.30.35.151 (
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Strong Delete. Movie has not been released yet. This person doesn't have any merit to deserve a page. Just raising eyebrows and featuring in a single viral video doesn't command the need to have a Wiki page. This fan base is purely temporary and simply an impulsive action. It would be like having a page for every new viral video. This shows how our worldview has deteriorated to a lower level. — Preceding
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117.249.227.208 (
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Delete. Doesn't qualify for
WP:NACTOR, as no film roles in released films (would require multiple anyway). Viral maybe, but no significant coverage of the actress herself in reliable sources except in relation to the viral video.
WP:BLP1E applies to the viral video she became internet famous for (for a wink in a viral song video of all things). Does not meet
WP:GNG notability requirements. — Insertcleverphrasehere(
or here) 20:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete fancruft. The press coverage is for a brief wink she makes in a trailed video clip of a song from a film that has not even been released yet. The usually Indian movie PR machine, the usual slavish Indian press, and a group of randy young oglers salivating over a YouTube clip does not notability make. Fails
WP:NACTOR and meets
WP:BLP1E. -
Sitush (
talk) 21:29, 12 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. Sources say very little about her. Maybe once the film is released, she will become notable.
Maproom (
talk) 23:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete I believe that
Morgan Spurlock showed you can get featured in an indian paper simply by making a small monetary payment, so I discount glowing coverage in the Indian press as not as significant as similar coverage in developed countries. The subject fails our most basic policies on notability and the page should be deleted.
Legacypac (
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Moved from this AfD's talk page -
Sitush (
talk) 00:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC) Do not delete the article as this is most searched now a days for wikipedia details. She become famous after her video gone viral. I have added some more details and photo too . From three days her video is also shared by media.And print media also seen reporting and publishing on her. In my opinion this will be very helpful for their fan.
Sanyogchourasia (
talk) 23:58, 12 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Although a case could be made for passing
WP:GNG but the vast majority of Google hits are about that wink, which is about as
WP:BLP1E as it gets, thus also fails
WP:SUSTAINED. Fails
WP:NACTOR since the movie isn't even released.
Blackmane (
talk) 02:30, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment there's a massive amount of incredibly-recent coverage. By Friday it should be easier to assess whether this is substantial or sustained.
power~enwiki (
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ν) 02:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep. She is the most discussed young actor on twitter and most of the international news media is covering her news. --
Nahid Hossain (
talk) 06:06, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment Priya Varrier is one of the most trending women on internet now. i will add more sources to the article. (
Fbofficl (
talk) 06:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC))reply
Keep Lots of online coverage to cite the article as well as now 1 million followers on
instagram. Thanks.--
Biplab Anand(Talk) 10:05, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete: Per nom and
WP:1E (notable only for one event) and
WP:TOOSOON - article is the result of a
recentism, we need to look at the larger picture, she received popularity in last few days and there's no guarantee that she stay notable 1 year from now or even 6 months, fan following or the current "web talk" could cease. Also, fails
WP:CRYSTAL - Wikipedia do not predict future, she is a "soon to be an actress" in an "upcoming" film, with presently only one wink credit in a song. There's no deadline, it's always good to wait.
--Let There Be Sunshine 10:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. Lovely girl+catchy tune in a movie trailer+press hungry for delivering a quick fix to the masses ≠ notability per
WP:BASIC; there simply isn't sig. coverage here.
WP:NACTOR isn't met either. SamSailor 12:55, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. Mainly per
Let There Be Sunshine. Fails
WP:NACTOR and is
WP:TOOSOON. Articles that are based on 'trending' in social media and an upcoming debut are not usually kept. If notability is established at a later date, the subject may indeed be good enough for an article. As it stands, not yet.
Jip Orlando (
talk) 13:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete Unnecessary importance being given to a random person. Doesn’t deserve a Wiki article as of yet. As per
WP:NACTOR as well.
D4R1U5 (
talk) 16:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep. She became the most searched Indian celebrity on Google, above Deepika Padukone, Alia Bhatt and Sunny Leone.
India.com -
[4]Prasannjeet (
talk) 16:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
If I am reading that crap source properly, it is saying she has become the most sourced in this particular week, not over time. It just illustrates the flash-in-the-pan thing - no lasting notability based on it. -
Sitush (
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Delete per NACTOR.--
IamIRAQI (
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Strong Delete. Its Just a social media only that never leads to wikipedia guidelines and also the content is promotional in nature.
LR23 (
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Delete Yeah, a bunch of social media blowups, but fails NACTOR
L3X1◊distænt write◊ 19:04, 13 February 2018 (UTC)reply
delete Does not met any notability guideline one would care to name. Always good to hear from the subject's fans, though. Looks to me like the article does more to fan the flames of fandom than to build the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a fanclub. Nor is it instagram. Publicity surrounds a publicity boosting BLP1E. Hopefully her publicist can boost her career to the point where she does meet GNG. For now, just a flash in the pan. So TOOSOON, if ever. That boosterism needs to be done w/o Wikipeia's help. --
Dlohcierekim (
talk) 01:45, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Almost forgot-- Wikipeida is no teh news. --
Dlohcierekim (
talk) 01:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete & Salt All the press coverage is for a single clip of an unreleased film and the subject does not currently pass
WP:NACTOR or
WP:SUSTAINED. If the article is deleted due to the current hype on this there is a chance that this will be recreated so I recommend salting this too. --Hagennos❯❯❯Talk 02:52, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete & Salt per all the delete votes above. Whenever she passes GNG, the article can be created again. —usernamekiran
(talk) 07:25, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong keep: None of the information is wrong, I guess the prime purpose of this place is to share information, none should judge the person, where she is good bad ugly famous infamous whether fans loves the person or hates whatever.. Those who are currently debating on these types of silly issues should refrain to the same. I strongly support to keep this article as its just proving some information about a person and some incident which has actually happened. No fictitious data is provided.
14.139.219.2 (
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Keep Clears GNG by a mile. "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article..." Additionally a police complaint has been filed against her for hurting religious sentiments of Muslims, so there is a multi-dimensional notability.
[5] — Preceding
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Yogesh Khandke (
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@
Yogesh Khandke: She doesnt pass GNG, she is an example of
WP:1E. The source you provided, states However, they have submitted only a written complaint and no FIR has been filed against anyone yet. In truth however, according to
first post: Khan alleges that the lyrics of the song insult Prophet Muhammad when translated to English. He has maintained that those who find the lyrics hurtful, have nothing against its actress. —usernamekiran
(talk) 11:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment--
WP:BLP1E has been wrongly cited here. I quote
If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.
If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a
low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with
neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to
merge the information and
redirect the person's name to the event article.
If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.
John Hinckley Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the
Reagan assassination attempt, was significant and his role was both substantial and well documented.
She has become notable, she has a
Verified badge on
Instagram, available according to their policy only to "only some public figures, celebrities and brands..."
[6] she has more followers (23 lakh) than established stars such as
Anushka Shetty who has 20 lakh.
[7] It isn't an event that has made her notable, such as a being perpetrator or victim of a crime, ( 1 and 3 in
wp:BLP1E), also one doesn't need to be a soothsayer to foresee that she won't fade away, considering that her movie is to be released, on the flip side, there is no way to know for certain that she will remain a
low-profile individual in the future as per ( 2 in
wp:BLP1E).
WP:TOOSOON similarly doesn't apply, this article isn't based on an achievement that hasn't yet materialised, such as being signed for a film
wp:SUSTAINED, is like
wp:BLP1E that I've discussed in detail above,
recentism also relates to events such as hurricanes of temporary interest.
WP:NACTOR is a
strawman argument, no one claims she is a notable actor. She's a celebrity, the internet made her, I don't say so, multiple independent reliable sources say so.
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 11:59, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Sources can be reliable for one thing and not for another. No Indian news outlet is reliable for fancruft stuff - they are all slavish followers of publicist's tripe, they all copy off each other, they all engage in breathless prose (except, perhaps, The Hindu), and quite a few are happy to take money to print this type of thing. -
Sitush (
talk) 12:05, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Don't indulge in
wp:OR or rant or should I say cant against India, Indian internet users India news media, also BBC too is sloshing in the mud by your own definition.
[8] Provide evidence that her Instagram badge has been fixed.
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 12:17, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
After a decade-long-editing career, if you are saying that a blue badge on Instagram equates to encyclopedic notability and provide links to GOP-websites to criticize foreign-media, you are either incompetent or you are plainly trolling. AGFing, I will assume the former.And, ....so there is a multi-dimensional notability. was a stunner.
~ Winged BladesGodric 13:08, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia is a reflection of reliable sources, not a den of
wp:OR enthusiasts, reliable sources discuss the fact of her receiving a verified badge. They have found it notable enough to comment on. I've not pulled this out of a hat. I'm not saying anything about anyone, I'm merely reproducing what
wp:RS (or you say GOP official website isn't one) has to offer.
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 13:24, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Yogesh, you have a record here for pro-Hindu nationalist editing, including regularly being in the minority in discussion at WT:INB about all sorts of sourcing issues + having had editing restrictions in place. I suggest that you back off. Stirring up up like you did, with a dedicated Controversy section in a BLP, based on someone filing a FIR, is something you know you should not do but, of course, it suits the agenda, doesn't it? I have commented further at the article talk. -
Sitush (
talk) 13:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
As usual complete rubbish, including regarding
wp:INB a place i've not been in ages, this is a AfD, bring up facts regarding the AfDs I voted and how they went. Also don't go all over the place with content arguments, keep them on the article talk page.
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 14:19, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Yogesh Khandke,
Sitush, and
Winged Blades of Godric: We are getting off the subject here. There are a tons of pornstars on twitter, instagram, and facebook that have verified accounts; but they do not pass the notability criteria. "One event" is vague title to cover a few different scenarios. We shouldnt take everything to the word. Till now, whatever has happened with Varrier boiles down to only one reason, no different/multiple reasons. man! closing this discussion would be a feat in itself. —usernamekiran
(talk) 17:09, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia isn't the place to soapbox against one's favourite peeve, for some it is India or Hindus, for you it seems to be porn-stars. There are clear guidelines for acceptability of a particular subject as an article, they aren't related to whether the subject is a porn-star or an Indian or a Hindu. My understanding of guidelines is that Varrier passes them. Multiple reliable sources mention her verified Instagram account and the number of her followers, so I mentioned it, I hope you understand the difference, which isn't too subtle. A Wikipedia article is to be a balanced reflection of what reliable sources. Read the delete votes, their problem is about Indian sources, or about what I read implies as sex-starved Indians who made her a celebrity, or that a wink can't be reason for an article, there is a quixotic remark about Hindu nationalist conspiracy in mentioning the FIR regarding insult to Mohammad, here. We are not here to sit on judgement, Wikipedia is edited by anonymous editors, it is assumed that they have no expertise, not even in Freudian psychoanalysis, other than that of finding, choosing and honestly representing information from good sources, in a balanced manner. Unfortunately the debate from one side reeks of should I say incompetence in understanding Wikipedia esp. wp:OR, more sad because opinions of "seniors" is claimed to have more weight.
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 05:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep Notable internet personality and clearly a public figure with numerous news articles, Treading on Google, Facebook, Instagram and IMDB. Wikipedia has a lot articles about internet sensation and this girl is now international level sensation which is notable for a Wiki page. Che12Guevara 18:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding
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Note to closer: please see talk re: this !vote. -
Sitush (
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Delete preferably as soon as possible as winking in a video is absolutely not an indication of notability and then after that, block all the socks. Good lord. CHRISSYMAD❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:56, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep this is not a policy-based vote. If there are socks in this discussion, their votes should be struck. Once the film is released, it will be borderline for inclusion. If having an article about this person for a month before this film comes out will bring editors interested in
Indian culture to the project, I encourage it. There are a massive number of articles about other people in this field that need improvements.
power~enwiki (
π,
ν) 19:52, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia is not the place to rally the troops for any given subject. She's either notable at the time of this discussion or not and so far, there is literally nothing to indicate this person meets any inclusion criteria. It can be reassessed when and if she receives the necessary coverage but saying that "it will bring editors interested in xyz" to the project is a ridiculous reason to keep an article that doesn't meet inclusion criteria. CHRISSYMAD❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
You are literally saying to violate
WP:CRYSTAL. She isnt notable now. And if she becomes notable in the future, then the article can be created without any opposition. —usernamekiran
(talk) 22:18, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
No, that's the opposite of violating
WP:CRYSTAL. She is not notable now and we should not keep an article because she might be in the future. If she becomes notable, then by all means, the article should be recreated but until that time, well... CHRISSYMAD❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 22:21, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Chrissymad: I apologise for the confusion. I was referring to power~enwiki's statement in my previous comment. You n me are saying the same thing. —usernamekiran
(talk) 22:48, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep She is a geniune Artist. The references links are reliable and the person has millions of fanbase on instagram and trending on social networking sites. I saw many comments of different peoples regarding her movie. Yes it is not released yet but the music video of the movie is already released from which we can know she is notable. So, i personally suggest to keep the page.
SeytX (
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SeytX (
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contribs) is a confirmed
sock puppet of
Gaurav456 (
talk •
contribs). – Struck above !vote from blocked sock per
WP:SOCKSTRIKE. SamSailor 15:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
...and other actors dont actually act, but act to act and not really act?; and hence are not genuine artists? But wouldnt that make such "fake" actors even better than the actors who just act, and not act to act? apologies. but I couldnt help myself from making a joke.—usernamekiran
(talk) 23:22, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Not really much of an argument to keep the article. Since 1) what reliable sources are there stating she is an artist? 2) a big social media fan base, without reliable sourcing, does not notability make 3) social media comments are not reliable sourcing 4) the music video falls into
WP:BLP1E territory 5) an unreleased movie falls afoul of one of the criteria of
WP:NACTOR.
Blackmane (
talk) 23:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Redirect to Oru Adaar Love: The subject has received some attention for her debut film and its viral trailer but this doesn't meet
WP:NACTOR. This is
WP:TOOSOON and
WP:BLP1E case. Deleting it outright isn't a good option, considering the kind of attention the subject has gained (On 13 February, her article received
321,000 views). The reason for her popularity presently is the film trailer and this information can be adequately covered in Oru Adaar Love's article. A redirect would be sufficient for now and probably semi-protect it. If, in the future, the subject gains recognition for her work as an actor, we can expand her page. --
Skr15081997 (
talk) 12:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. Seriously? This is exactly what BLP1E is intended to prevent.
Vanamonde (
talk) 13:15, 15 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. Until the film is released in June, the mass following on social media and three shortfilms are the only assets in her favour. Doesnot deserve a page. A person from the same place whose video went viral few months back also deserved a page if this was the condition. This page can be expanded by June when the film is released
Jibinmathews (
talk) 14:44, 15 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep. Subject has now vast coverage on mainstream media.--
Ameen Akbar (
talk) 21:13, 15 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Please indicate the policy or guideline that states the minimum number of views required for notability. -
Sitush (
talk) 09:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete; nothing but passing news reports. Please come back when you have secondary coverage (which, among other things, demands that the source date from a time period well separated from the incidents being described) published by reliable sources. By the way, nominator should note that this is an actress, not an actor.
Nyttend (
talk) 22:53, 16 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Perhaps because there was no Actressess and filmmakers del-sort group? But trust me, I'm a feminist! :)
MT TrainDiscuss 04:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
:-) I never look at the deletion sorting; I was responding to an actor with a single film.
Nyttend (
talk) 12:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
By the way, closing admin I just noticed the "redirect to movie" vote up above. I'm not sure how much we ought to be redirecting based on potential flash-in-the-pan names, but I'd definitely prefer redirecting to keeping.
Nyttend (
talk) 12:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep. She is definitely a celebrity now. Just Google for Priya Prakash Varrier and you'll get proof for it from prominent media sources.--
Joseph 13:20, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
All prominent media sources go no more deeper about her than a 10 second wink. That's what BLP1E is there for.
MT TrainDiscuss 14:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Redirect and fully protect (short of outright deletion). This is a prime case of BLP1E. Prior to the trailer this actress was not notable or had enough coverage to justify inclusion into Wikipedia. The trailer became viral because of the wink. This makes the case a "Biography of a Living Person notable for One Event" (BLP1E). Arguing Instagram verified or Instagram followers is a
WP:BIG argument. Comparisons of this actress to other actresses is a
WP:WAX argument. In total the keep arguments are unsupported by policy, whereas the Delete/Merge/Redirect arguments are. I advocate for post closure full protection on whatever outcome comes from this discussion as the viral nature suggests that the page will be created again in short order to try and override the consensus derived here.
Hasteur (
talk) 21:33, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete; nothing special about this girl.
Sadsadas (
talk) 14:02, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Notability is not justified.--Masum-al-Hasan 03:21, 19 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding
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Masum-al-hasan (
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Will you care to elaborate on what you mean by "Notability is not justified" please?
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 06:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
KeepThe article should not be deleted. she has emerged as a big sensation in india with even ndtv and cnn ibn news 18 calling her nation's crush. her popularity may be temporary but such fads and sensations of this magnitude need to be in wikipedia.
[9] On Feb 12, the people who searched for Katrina Kaif, 1 of India's top star is 10,000 and people who searched for Priya is 140,000.. How can you suggest to delete.. shall i remove the deletion tag ?? pls discuss.
[10]Akshayacropolis (vote on talk page by an
newcomer, whose arguments though are very sound, esp. that such events are milestones that need to be recorded. I have taken the liberty of pasting it here.)
Yogesh Khandke (
talk) 14:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
A crush is a short-lived infatuation. Says it all, really. -
Sitush (
talk) 15:17, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment if this deleted, it should be salted or made a protected redirect. Re-creation is otherwise inevitable. Based on
[11] (I would not be able to do any other films until August) I doubt there will be an immediate need to revisit this.
power~enwiki (
π,
ν) 16:38, 19 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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