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The result was delete‎. as there was opposition to the Redirect suggestion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Pitar Ason

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The previous AfD attracted a single !vote that gave a twofold rationale for keep. 1) "The film is the first released film of Nipun Akter." WP:NFIC #2 could apply if the film was "a major part of their career", but there's no evidence that it was. 2) "The film is also selected for preservation in Bangladesh Film Archive." WP:NFO #4 could apply if the archive were selective like the National Film Registry, but it isn't. By law, a copy of every Bangladeshi film must be deposited with the Bangladesh Film Archive, it's indiscriminate.

There is no significant coverage in reliable sources. The only mentions are in articles about Nipu Akter, each of which mentions in passing that Pitar Ason was her first released film. It does not meet WP:NFILM. Policy WP:NOTPLOT tells us that the encyclopedia should treat creative works in an encyclopedic manner, discussing their development, design, reception, significance, and influence. No independent, in-depth sources exist on which we could base such an article. Worldbruce ( talk) 19:13, 22 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Bangladesh. Worldbruce ( talk) 19:13, 22 July 2023 (UTC) reply
• I'm convinced by the explanation given in the first Afd: as Nipun's first film it can reasonably be considered a major part of her career. So Weak Keep; if not, then redirect to her page ( Nipun Akter).- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:14, 23 July 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Is your thinking that the first film of every notable actor is inherently notable because every actor's first film can "reasonably be considered" a major part of their career"? (Or at least the first film in which they had a leading role?) Or is there a specific source that convinces you that someone thinks this film is a "major part of her career" - perhaps a source that describes it as her "big break", or one that attributes subsequent opportunities to her performance in this film, or evidence of a screening as part of a retrospective or tribute to her career, or ...? -- Worldbruce ( talk) 16:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Reply-You said yourself: The only mentions are in articles about Nipu Akter, each of which mentions in passing that Pitar Ason was her first released film., so it seems important enough in her career to be mentioned; hence weak keep or redirect to her page.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Bangladeshi entertainment news is highly formulaic. It's extremely common for an article focused on a film actor to mention what their first film was. Because in my experience dealing with Bangladeshi sources they do it indiscriminately, I've never considered the "first film" mention to be an indication that every first film is "a major part of their career" in the sense that WP:NFIC means.

Subsequent to your reply, Vinegarymass911 added a source that uses a different transliteration, Pitar Ashon. It is more than a passing mention: "I started out in acting after I came back to Bangladesh with 'Pitar Ashon'. Not only was the film a commercial success, but the audience received my debut very well as well and my name started to buzz all over the industry right after that. I did not have to look back after that ... 'Pitar Ashon' gave me a solid footing in the industry." If a third party (a biographer or entertainment critic, for example) were saying this, I would withdraw per WP:HEYMANN, but I'm uncomfortable saying a film is notable just because a participant in it says it was important to their career. I'll let more of the community weigh in. -- Worldbruce ( talk) 17:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Actualcpscm ( talk) 20:15, 29 July 2023 (UTC) reply

• Delete- This is not a very old movie; there should be online sources. I tried and failed to find significant coverage. I am left to conclude that the movie is not notable. Redirect would not make sense given that many others were involved with the film, some with a stronger claim than Nipun Akter, and she is not the ideal redirect target as her article barely mentions the film. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 22:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. This AFD seems to have fallen through the cracks of our AFD system and is being manually relisted. Not eligible for Soft Deletion. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC) reply

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