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Reached only ninth in a competition. No album released, very minor chart success. Fails the criteria under
WP:MUSIC. When I do a search all am I getting is a lot of gossip and trivia, including her recent nuptials and tmz style reporting.
Karst (
talk) 14:57, 9 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep While only getting to ninth, she has been subject to coverage from the media since Idol, and IMO passes
WP:GNG. --
AmaryllisGardenertalk 18:05, 9 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Well, I looked at that actually and
WP:RS is very thin on the ground. So what media did you have in mind?
Karst (
talk) 23:12, 9 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Well, I can't go through all 147,000 news articles, but as far as reliable sources go, there's
Billboard (several articles),
Yahoo! News, and
People. --
AmaryllisGardenertalk 03:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
The Billboard article is a start. But that is only an EP. Did it chart or appear on a major label at all? The Yahoo! article narrates her American Idol experience - it really belongs in the article for that season. The People.com entry is a case in point really as it is the type of gossip style sources that I found while searching. Please note that the
Google test does not indicate notability.
Karst (
talk) 12:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Ritchie333: The first two articles are about her Idol exit? She gets a passing mention in the Aubrey O'Day article as a co-writer. The Billboard article was noted above. Which leaves pretty much with her Idol experience and the EP.
Karst (
talk) 11:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
GaryBass: I see your point, but those Youtube links aren't exactly
WP:RS. I acknowledged the minor chart success, but feel that falls into the Idol bracket if anything. And Heatseekers is hardly the Billboard 100. This still leaves me struggling to find good, solid sources that highlight her notability outside of a competition where she did not finish in the top 3.
Karst (
talk) 11:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Hey Gary, thanks for those sources. I'm afraid I am still scratching the back of my head with this one. Surely the Hollywood Reporter and Perez Hilton are gossip-style websites? The first one announced her appearance at
So You Think You Can Dance where she performed her first single. It is directly linked to Idol. The Fox link has just two lines, one mentions a new single. The Hallmark link again mentions her recent Idol performance, as do the other TV appearances that you list. Now the last one is very interesting. Her involvement in that musical American Crime Requiem would be something very notable. But this is the problem with the article. The post Idol career involves a string of TV show appearances, minor chart successes with the first single and her involvement in the Idol tour. What follows then is some personal appearances, a solo album that never materialises, a co-write for a single that did not chart, failed auditions and a niche film. As with many of the Idol participants, they struggle to maintain a career. In the end this was one of the reasons why the 1/2/3 position of competitions was implemented. So when we look under the criteria of
WP:MUSIC this continues to fail I'm afraid.
Karst (
talk) 11:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Karst: Your assertion seems to be that all of her notability is linked to Idol. So let's approach this from a different angle. The fact that she was in American Crime Requiem (for which she received rave reviews like
this and
this) alone should be enough to establish notability separate from Idol, since it is doubtful that the average Beverly Hills theatergoer is a fan or viewer of Idol. But she also has a whole other career as a national anthem singer. She is the official anthem singer of the Los Angeles Kings, has sung for both of their Stanley Cup Championship playoff runs in
2012 and
2014 and is considered the Kings'
good luck charm. She was even a presenter at the
2014 NHL Awards and was featured on Fox Sports West's
Kings Weekly. Again, none of this is linked to Idol in any way, because I can guarantee you that NHL hockey fans are not watching American Idol and in fact, most of them know her only as the Kings' anthem singer. If singers like
Jim Cornelison and
Rene Rancourt (who have zero notablity other than for singing the national anthem for the NHL) deserve their own article, then so does Pia.
GaryBass (
talk) 23:21, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GoPhightins! 04:14, 17 January 2017 (UTC)reply
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