The result was keep. The arguments to keep the article have demonstrated that Paymentwall has received significant coverage by third-party sources so that the subject meets the general notability guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia. Additional concerns that the article is "too promotional" to keep have been addressed through edits by Northamerica1000 and can be continued to be improved through editing. Overall consensus based on policy is to keep the article. Malinaccier ( talk) 20:38, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Only purpose is to promote it. Corporate Spam to its soul. Adweek article is poor as the article itself. Press coverage are given as a references. Corporate brochure written into encyclopedia. should be G11 material. Light2021 ( talk) 05:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
The article notes:
This is analysis about Paymentwall from Andrey Kolodyuk from Aventures Capital in Ukraine.Paymentwall, is a payment platform for games, virtual goods, and web services available in 200 countries [and territories] with $2 billion in revenue. It started out from a cooperation of the American Honor Gunday and the Ukrainian Vladimir Kovalyov. Now it faces a prospect of pursuing an IPO within 3-5 years.
From Google Translate:
The CEO of a payment startup [Paymentwall] dismisses 25 employees in Kyiv and announces this joyfully to Facebook. A bizarre story about leadership failure in series.
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But apparently, the conditions in the office in Kiev are anything but paradisiacal. The leadership methods of Honor Gunday (bourgeois: Onur Sena Gunday), the founder and CEO of the payment company, launched in 2010 and headquartered in San Francisco, and having a Berlin office since 2012, seem to fit into a Stone Age dictatorship rather than one Modern digital startup. This picture emerges from reports from employees, reporting in Ukraine - and the attempts at justifying the company itself.
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Paymentwall was founded in April 2010 by Turk Honor Gunday and Ukrainian Vladimir Kovalyov. Success did not come right away, as they suffered several setbacks prior to Paymentwall. The Turkish social network Zurna was closed by court order, Boomerang Networks, which was an advertising platform for online games, collapsed as a result of disagreements with the investor, and the virtual startup accelerator OutCubator simply “did not go.” But the payment service Paymentwall, which was launched for $200, began to generate profits only a few months after it launched. Last year, the company’s revenue totaled dozens of million US dollars.
The main clients of the company have been and are the owners of online games and web portals with premium options, such as dating sites, online cloud services, and online games. Paymentwall allows users around the globe to purchase digital content using any of 85+ local payment systems, including various types of payment like credit cards, mobile phones, ATMs, terminals, and many others. According to Kovalev, more than 30,000 clients already use Paymentwall, from young game developers, for whom parents sign their first contract, to multinational corporations.
The company’s solutions are available in more than 20 languages and 200 countries. Paymentwall maintains 10 offices around the globe, including locations like Berlin, Kyiv (Kiev), San Francisco, Istanbul, and Manila.
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This article notes that "Paymentwall's announcement on expanding to Iran created a wide press buzz" and provides skeptical analysis of Paymentwall's announcementThough the recent nuclear deal has caused the sanctions on Iran and its banking system to be lifted but US sanctions are still in place. This announcement was rather shocking considering the fact that Paymentwall is a San Fransisco based company with an only possibility of engaging with Iran from one of their subsidiaries or offices outside of US. Most european sanctions on Iran has been lifted but not sanctions imposed by the US are still in place. The US banking system is still not open to Iran and so is the possibility for most American companies to work with Iran. Making it almost impossible for Paymentwall to come to Iran on the red carpet.
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Paymentwall’s announcement on expanding to Iran created a wide press buzz. More interestingly the company removed their official press release post on Iran from their website and social media overnight. Which could be an identification of a step back from the company. Many questions are popping up as what was the cause of this act. Perhaps the possibility of a security threats to the company exists because of the US sanctions. Nonetheless news from payment companies to operate in Iran are becoming a trend.
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Paymentwall was founded in 2010, and it has 110 employees. It says it has processed payments for more than 150 million unique users across more than 50,000 merchants. Rivals include Braintree (part of PayPal), Apple Pay, Stripe, Boku, and Adyen. Paymentwall is self-funded. It started as an alternative offer-wall provider when Facebook gaming was thriving. Paymentwall set up a technology platform that would enable the developers to accept not just credit cards and mobile payments but other solutions like prepaid cards, digital currencies, and eWallets.
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Central Bank of Iran has rejected the claim by San Francisco-based Paymentwall that it has integrated its payment services into Shetab - Iran’s local payment system.
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Foreign companies also see opportunities in China, with Paymentwall, a global monetisation platform founded in California in 2010, opening its 10th foreign office in Beijing recently.
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The company first helped game companies get payments through Facebook, and now has about 200 million users.
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Paymentwall began working with Chinese video game makers and social networks such as NetEase, Tencent andrenren.com from 2011. It has also partnered Alipay to help foreign internet companies enter the Chinese market.
From Google Translate:
Paymentwall Company provides a global payment platform for payment of virtual goods in social networks, online games and Internet services. All four offices of the company - in San Francisco, Berlin, Istanbul and Kiev - have a common interior concept. Designer furniture, yellow walls, disco-balls and music create a cozy atmosphere. A large coin inlaid with gold is a symbol of the company.
The article notes:
Paymentwall is a global payment service provider for game development companies, software as a service (SaaS) providers, dating sites, TV streaming providers, and news organizations (such as the Kyiv Post).
The company is headquartered in San Francisco and has 10 offices around the world. It serves 70,000 merchants in more than 200 countries.
Is there promotion in this article that is not fixable? Unscintillating ( talk) 03:06, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Paymentwall is a global payment service provider for game development companies, software as a service (SaaS) providers, dating sites, TV streaming providers, and news organizations (such as [this publication company]), The company is headquartered in San Francisco and has 10 offices around the world. It serves 70,000 merchants in more than 200 countries.(showing it's not only a company customer, but it's literally republishing what the company's own "About" is, therefore violating WP:What Wikipedia is not, WP:Not webhost, WP:Deletion policy and WP:Promotion, wherever published), 11 is a republished announcement in a clear "business interest" section therefore indiscriminate. While the company's income is a significant factor, our priorities are far higher in maintaining encyclopedia integrity, not becoming a company advertiser. By actually suggesting that we compromise with keeping it without assurance it will be advertising-free is not a policy basis, in fact it's a WP:ITSVALUABLE or WP:ITSNOTABLE argument. SwisterTwister talk 06:12, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
As by WP:GNG, it says multiple independent reliable coverage independent of the subject and if that's what offers here, it's not acceptable, regardless if we mistakenly consider it as such. As for the "Spammy tone is an editing matter", the WP:Deletion policy says: Any material unsuitable for an encyclopedia article must be removed. SwisterTwister talk 17:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
As our WP:What Wikipedia is not policy, says listings of business alliances, clients, competitors, employees (except CEOs, supervisory directors and similar top functionaries), equipment, estates, offices, products and services, sponsors, subdivisions and, so if the article can't be fundamentally improved beyond that, it has no place in a neutral encyclopedia. As our WP:Five pillars say, visitors should expect a serious neutral and independent encyclopedia, not one where companies are expected or given exemptions, simply because of general or special interests. As our WP:Deletion policy says, articles that are potentially of concern can be tagged, yet the history here shows such tags are quickly removed, this goes against our WP:TC guidelines on maintenance, and that only shows the article would be hindered from attempts to de-spam, if it's even happening as the AfD is ongoing. SwisterTwister talk 20:05, 4 August 2017 (UTC)