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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Paul Dobbs

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No evidence of Notability, fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT, article was established June 2010 from news/death-announcements, PRODed 7 July 2015, opposed 8 July, simultaneously a deadlink-tagged, self-published, blog site was replaced with an online article created in August 2011, over one-year after the death, centred on the deceased's family. No evdence of significant coverage prior to death, only in motorsports events as a participant, and no article expansion since 2010, only maintenance. Included in List of Snaefell Mountain Course fatal accidents since the day of death with three hard-copy references. Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 21:54, 17 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Keep meets WP:NMOTORSPORT. In particular 3.Competed in a ... race of worldwide or national interest (for example, the American Championship or 24 Hours of Le Mans). The Isle of Mann race meets this criteria. Support withdrawn - unable to substantiate which category of the Isle of Mann and unable to find anything more on line to support a keep NealeFamily ( talk) 21:51, 19 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comment Isle of Man TT is essentially a series of races under one umbrella festival. Certainly someone that competed in the Senior TT would meet standard #3, but someone that merely competes in a lesser race may not. For a similar situation, a racer in the Daytona 500 would probably count, Sportsman 300 (2nd-tier race) is a bit harder to justify though could be considered as meeting, Daytona 250 (3rd-tier race) would be a stretch, and Daytona ARCA 200 (4th-tier) would likely fail. Similarly, someone in one of the two 6 lap races would probably count. This isn't even a 4 lap race, but a 3 lap race. I don't know enough about the TT to say for sure, but I don't think that meets the goal of #3 in that there is a presumption. Might be enough to meet WP:GNG anyways, but I will defer to those with greater knowledge of TT racing to make the actual decision. RonSigPi ( talk) 04:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comment As there are no sources presently available to Wikipedia, from the one-year-posthumous article about the family, it seems Paul Dobbs was an enthusiastic amateur, who had an extensive entry history in Isle of Man events. The 1960s phrase referring to such amateurs and the Isle of Man was 'holiday racer'. There are still some around with a couple of bikes and a tent for a couple of weeks, but likely the phrase has fallen out of use. The IoM races are totally different to those exampled in WP:NMOTORSPORT/3, not part of a series, not with European/World level teams participating, and certainly not with any National significance. Without pre-death sources to prove notability, only race tables and news reports can be cited.-- Rocknrollmancer ( talk) 00:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 17:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC) reply

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