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The result was no consensus. -Scottywong | converse _ 15:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC) reply

Oren wilkes

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The notability of the subject is dubious. This is the third time that the same editor has created the same article, about the same subject. The article was deleted on the previous two occasions. — Fly by Night ( talk) 00:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC) reply

• Delete This person clearly exists, and is a professional model. However, I failed to find significant coverage in reliable, independent sources sufficient to write a well-referenced biography. He is not yet notable by Wikipedia's standards. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:45, 24 June 2012 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC) reply

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He has features in Vibe Magazine, Essence Magazine, Huffington Post, AOL News, along with tons of top celebrity entertainment blogs. He is the face of one of the largest skin care brands in the world alongside Rihanna and he isn't credible? He also runs the flagship men's lifestyle blog apart of Glam Media ( they rep some of the biggest sites on the web). I can provide you with over 30 credible sources. He is probably one of the bigger black male models working in the industry right now and has been signed with Wilhelmina since college. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Josepha ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC) reply

Robert Josepha, the issue is not whether Oren Wilkes is "credible" as you say, but rather whether he is notable by Wikipedia's standards. Your claim that he is "probably one of the bigger black male models working in the industry right now and has been signed with Wilhelmina since college" means nothing here since that is an unreferenced opinion followed by an unreferenced factual claim, but if a reliable, independent source says similar things about Oren Wilkes, then that is another matter. Instead of mentioning but not bringing forth "30 credible sources", I recommend that you actually bring forth three solid sources of the highest quality that you believe show the notability of Oren Wilkes by Wikipedia's standards, not your own personal standards. I hope my comments help you focus your efforts. Good luck to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the reply. Article from the Huffington Post: http://www.bvwellness.com/2011/06/11/nivea-for-men-kicks-off-new-campaign-in-las-vegas/ Article from Essence Magazine (they have a wikipedia page): www.essence.com/2011/08/15/eye-candy-oren-wilkes/ Article from Vibe Magazine (they have a wikipedia page): http://www.vibevixen.com/2011/08/men-in-fashion-model-oren-wilkes-becomes-the-new-face-of-nivea-for-men/ Article from Centrictv (owned by BET): blogs.centrictv.com/lifestyle/culturelist/tag/oren-wilkes/ Article from the Theybf.com (they have a wikipedia page one of the biggest black celeb blogs): http://theybf.com/2011/08/03/fresh-meat-meet-oren-wilkes-the-new-face-of-nivea-for-men Video from author series presented by Subaru: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqX1QzMqZlw Also please check out http://glammedia.com (they have a wikipedia page you will see his site on the front on their website...he owns one of their flagship sites

Please let me know if you need more info ..in addition to the above articles there are countless others online ...you can even find him on Models.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Josepha ( talk • contribs) 16:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC) reply

• Comment This is a tricky one. Whilst many of the links Robert Josepha has cited are a bit gossip-magazine, they do demonstrate coverage, although there's not a lot ongoing outside the blogs/forums/Tumblr. The difficulty with such people is that their Internet presence - blogs, etc - and modelling fanbase tend to give a very trivial/non-reliable source look to Google results, and I'm not finding any other Reliable Sources for Oren Wilkes on a Google search results trawl (after removing all refs to Facebook/Twitter/Tumblr). So I'm going to have to abstain from a vote here as I honestly can't call this one. Mabalu ( talk) 13:21, 28 June 2012 (UTC) reply

If you get a chance please watch : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqX1QzMqZlw I don't think Subaru would shoot a commercial spec with him if he was credible. In addition, if you go to Glammedia.com you will see that his site is on the front page and one of their premiere men's sites...they rep some of the biggest bloggers and websites. And lastly, he had a global deal with Nivea alongside Rihanna. I can provide more if needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Josepha ( talk • contribs) 18:17, 29 June 2012 (UTC) reply

WP:NOYT cleary states that "YouTube and other video-sharing sites are not reliable sources…". — Fly by Night ( talk) 21:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:38, 1 July 2012 (UTC) reply

The point with showing you the youtube video was so that you could watch him in his national ad with Subaru where it clear talks about him and his site. I've provided links from aol news, huffington post, essence magazine, vibe magazine, and more. Please let me know what else is needed. All of the above listed sites are credible and infact have their own wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Josepha ( talk • contribs) 21:48, 1 July 2012 (UTC) reply

• I'll give this a weak keep based on one certain RS, several maybe-reliables, and a starring role in two large advertising campaigns ("other productions").  The Steve  06:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC) reply

I can rewrite the bio if needed ...please let me know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Josepha ( talk • contribs) 10:29, 3 July 2012 (UTC) reply

Just wanted to follow up on the page and see if we have come to a decision? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Josepha ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD ( talk) 01:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC) reply

• Weak keep - Close to the edge, but giving the benefit of the doubt. / Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC) reply

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