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This obscure book written by an avowed Neo-Nazi seems to have flown mostly under the radar.
WP:BK, it seems to me, is not satisfied by the single critique and the two paens written by comrades-in-arms and either self-published or published in obscure neo-Nazi outfits.
jps (
talk) 13:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Just to say that I don't think that an author who might be considered "an avowed Neo-nazi" means an article is inherently notable or non-notable. However I don't know enough about this area to know whether this book is notable or not.
Seaweed (
talk) 13:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The issue, as I see it, seems to be that the creation of this page was made to
promote such beliefs.
jps (
talk) 14:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Neutral, leaning delete. Having been schooled in my credulousness by ජපස and XOR'easter (which I very much appreciate, btw!), I'm now quite undecided. As it now stands, the article features two pieces of critical commentary from apparently legit sources—
Kenan Malik and
Catherine Nash. Most charitably interpreted, that passes
WP:NBOOK. Less charitably interpreted, it doesn't: the mention in Nash's book is only in a footnote, although it's a long footnote. In addition, the book has received some attention from fringe scholars and outright Nazis. That does not confer notability, but I don't think it's outright irrelevant. The Bell Curve, for instance, is also a widely discredited book that (I assume) has received lots of favorable attention from fringies and white supremacists—and, imv, is almost certainly notable. So I'm not sure quite what to think, but I'm trending delete now.
AleatoryPonderings (
talk) 21:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
As a side note, I'm not quite sure this is a
WP:FRINGE book or one to which
NONAZI applies. It was originally published by
Transaction Publishers and then republished by
Routledge, a reputable academic publisher (
ISBN9781351502146). Might be a controversialist work—as are many in evolutionary psychology—but I am not convinced it's a white supremacist book.
AleatoryPonderings (
talk) 16:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
@
XOR'easter: Just
struck that per your note. Not striking my vote, though—I think the refs I've added establish notability.
AleatoryPonderings (
talk) 18:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Glad you think Rushton may not be on the up-and-up. Perhaps you'd like to consider whether the review by the late
Hiram Caton deserves consideration from Wikipedia considering his extreme
WP:FRINGE viewpoint?
jps (
talk) 21:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Leaving aside the issues of
WP:DENY and
WP:NOFASH, a more fundamental problem is that the references are all either
unverifiable or are
self-published.
No significant coverage, even within the academic sphere, appears to exist. This looks like an academic's attempt to popularize their work which had little, if any, traction.
Eggishorn(talk)(contrib) 17:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete The notability case is dubious at best (for an analogy:
Michael Behe works at a university, but if he wrote a glowing review of a creationist book, it would still be support from within the creationist bubble). Even if there were an argument for notability,
WP:TNT would apply.
XOR'easter (
talk) 18:19, 16 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:FRINGE,
WP:SOAP,
WP:SIGCOV, and
WP:NOT. We are not a web host for every fringe theory and book that hasn't garnered any real attention outside of the insiders. FWIW, I teach middle school genetics and have never heard of this book.
Bearian (
talk) 23:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Non-notable, fringe per Bearian
PainProf (
talk) 03:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. The book did receive a couple of reviews (negative), but it does not make it notable.
My very best wishes (
talk) 04:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)reply
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