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The result was redirect to Hitler Youth. (non-admin closure) ― MJL -Talk- ☖ 21:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Oberrottenführer
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Obscure term with no significant coverage in RS. Possibly redirect to Rottenfuhrer or "Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth", if the latter article is kept. b uidh e 18:17, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 03:48, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 03:48, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 03:48, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth if kept, otherwise to Hitler Youth (or subsection within). Is a plausible search term. Present article doesn't cite sources (though a search does show some - e.g. this seems like a RS at first blush). No reason to think this individual rank in Hitler youth is notable. Icewhiz ( talk) 08:24, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Not sufficiently notable for an article of its own and no significant RS coverage (the RS found by Icewhiz is not available for viewing to me, so I can't tell if there's anything in-depth in it). Redirect to
Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth if that's kept, otherwise Redirect to
Hitler Youth but only if there's a mention of the term merged into that article per the way its AFD is going.
Boing! said Zebedee (
talk) 08:55, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- My citation merely supports the existence of the rank in the Hitlerjugend rank structure - there's a list there (ordered by rank) on page 60 + drawings of the shoulder marks of each the 18 ranks in the next page (61) - nothing in-depth (does not preclude there being in-depth sourcing elsewhere, however per Hitler Youth's readable prose size of 16Kb - I would still think this should be addressed there prior to a spinout).
Icewhiz (
talk) 10:49, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks. Yes, I agree. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 11:14, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- My citation merely supports the existence of the rank in the Hitlerjugend rank structure - there's a list there (ordered by rank) on page 60 + drawings of the shoulder marks of each the 18 ranks in the next page (61) - nothing in-depth (does not preclude there being in-depth sourcing elsewhere, however per Hitler Youth's readable prose size of 16Kb - I would still think this should be addressed there prior to a spinout).
Icewhiz (
talk) 10:49, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect as above. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:16, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Hitler Youth article, and not to the Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth article, IF it is not kept (which, as I have stated in discussion is not needed for a stand alone page and it looks as if the AfD for the "Ranks" page will go that way). No doubt this HJ rank existed, but not notable for stand alone article. Kierzek ( talk) 14:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: obscure enough that a redirect is not necessary.
K.e.coffman (
talk) 04:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Redirects are free. Anything that helps someone find a term, however obscure, is useful. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 14:10, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- "Oberrottenführer" does not appear in the
Hitler Youth article; it's generally not a good practice to redirect to a page that does not mention the topic.
K.e.coffman (
talk) 04:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Please read what
User:Icewhiz actually wrote. If
Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth is not kept then it will clearly be merged with
Hitler Youth. The term will therefore appear in one article or the other. Why are you so keen to get this completely deleted? I'm mystified, to be honest. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:30, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- I've read what Icewhiz said. If someone wants to add sourced material to the Hitler Youth page and then create a redirect, I don't think anyone would object. Until then, there's no point in having a redirect when the target page does not mention the topic. Why are you so intent on getting this redirected now? I'm perplexed, to be honest. --
K.e.coffman (
talk) 01:14, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Now merged. Redirect to Hitler Youth. Voila! -- Necrothesp ( talk) 16:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- I've read what Icewhiz said. If someone wants to add sourced material to the Hitler Youth page and then create a redirect, I don't think anyone would object. Until then, there's no point in having a redirect when the target page does not mention the topic. Why are you so intent on getting this redirected now? I'm perplexed, to be honest. --
K.e.coffman (
talk) 01:14, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Please read what
User:Icewhiz actually wrote. If
Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth is not kept then it will clearly be merged with
Hitler Youth. The term will therefore appear in one article or the other. Why are you so keen to get this completely deleted? I'm mystified, to be honest. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:30, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- "Oberrottenführer" does not appear in the
Hitler Youth article; it's generally not a good practice to redirect to a page that does not mention the topic.
K.e.coffman (
talk) 04:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Redirects are free. Anything that helps someone find a term, however obscure, is useful. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 14:10, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to either Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth or to Hitler Youth (pending the outcome of the current in progress AfD on Ranks and insignia of the Hitler Youth). Definitely a plausible search term, and redirects are WP:CHEAP, anyways. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 23:57, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- AfD Update - The "ranks and insignias" AfD has closed with a merge to Hitler Youth. Nosebagbear ( talk) 18:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.