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Individual did not have any notability until she died. Per
WP:VICTIM and
WP:BIO1E, she fails notability for having her own article.
Donaldd23 (
talk) 15:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Even if the nominator is right, article should be kept as GNG is met. A good example: CBS aired a news item in the news, not about the accident but about her including education, career and family. See
here.
SportsOlympic (
talk) 07:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment As my "Keep" reasoning is not clear to other users I add this comment. I agree she wasn't notable enough before her death, and also not due to the coverage of the accident. But, as in the days after her death news sources started publisheing about her as a person, she meets GNG.
CBS News had a full biography. Not as a video somewhere on the website, but a as a main national news items on television of over 3 minutes.
SportsOlympic (
talk) 14:03, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nah, your reasoning is super clear – and we disagree with it. We'd also appreciate it if you stop badgering everyone who votes delete. —
Bloom6132 (
talk) 05:16, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Further to @
Bloom6132:'s comment, CBS was her employer. That's not a secondary source.
StarM 00:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete – agree with nominator. Did a Google search and failed to find a single article about her before she died. Quite clear that coverage on her didn't begin until after her death. —
Bloom6132 (
talk) 00:46, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Wipipedia is not about notability but about coverage.
SportsOlympic (
talk) 07:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
And that coverage didn't begin until after her death. Your point? —
Bloom6132 (
talk) 09:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
So? There is no guideline stating a person should have had coverage while the person was living.
George Floyd didn't have coverage before his death.
SportsOlympic (
talk) 09:55, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Are you seriously trying to compare George Floyd with Nina Kapur?? Oh dear. I had no idea that Kapur's death has led to a worldwide push for greater moped safety and helmet use. —
Bloom6132 (
talk) 10:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Yes that’s exactly what I’m doing, to make it very clear that it’s no reason to say a person should have had coverage before death. Before his death George Floyd was 1) not notable 2) had no coverage. And yes, of course the importance of the two is different as could be indicated on the talk page.
SportsOlympic (
talk) 10:19, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete – the matter of Floyd's fame or otherwise is not relevant to this discussion (see
WP:STUFF)
Deb (
talk) 13:15, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not using Floyd's article as a reason to keep this article. I refer to that article that the reasoning was not correct.
SportsOlympic (
talk) 13:36, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Of course there are hundreds if not thousands of people who get articles who had no coverage before their death. They tend to be people like
Anne Frank. A reporter dying in an acident and getting passing coverage does not rise to the level that justifies having an article. For the record though, I would argue we should not have an article on Mr. Floyd, only on his death, since that and not him per se is what is notable.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 18:43, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete neither a notable life nor death. Sadly just a run of the mill traffic accident, and no she's not comparable to George Floyd.
StarM 19:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep: Because her death is going to change the laws on ride sharing business model in the
New York City. -
Hatchens (
talk) 06:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Do you have citations to support that, or is that your personal opinion? But, since nothing has changed yet, it is irrelevant.
Donaldd23 (
talk) 12:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Donaldd23, I have been watching the local media coverage (on
NY1 and
CBS2) and also listening to
Governor Cuomo's statements. Yes, this might lead to some changes. But, yes as of now, it can be counted as mere speculation.
Hatchens (
talk) 12:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Hatchens, you do realize you just used the words "local media" to support keeping this page.
Donaldd23 (
talk) 15:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails
WP:BIO1E and
WP:MEMORIAL. Passing memorial coverage from media about a dead journalist is not notable. While tragic, it was just a routine traffic accident and her death, like nearly all of the 160,000 people who die every day on Earth, isn't notable.
Newshunter12 (
talk) 06:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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