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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 23:44, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Nicaragua–Turkey relations
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Someone made it their task to create pages on Turkey's relations with every country in the world. Now, the task is to root out the pages without merit. Turkey's relations with Nicaragua seem tangential, there are no embassies. This is not to say the countries are alien; some goods are traded one way, though none the other way; some meetings have happened, but most contact seems to be funneled through broader organizational frameworks. The cultural relations are probably pretty slim.
Another interesting thing is what has not taken place. Both countries have had their share of tumultuous events, where are the reactions, support, criticisms etc.?
To cast light upon the relationscruft we are trimming, these are the previous deletions of Turkish relations that I could find: Andorra, Barbados, Bhutan, Central African , Congo, Dominica, Eswatini, Fiji, Grenada, Iceland, Kiribati, Liechtenstein, Palau, Papua , Saint Kitts , São Tomé , Tuvalu , Vanuatu . Geschichte ( talk) 20:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nicaragua-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: usually I'm a supporter of deleting unnotable bilateral relations pages due to a lack of significant coverage, and I agree that many Turkish bilateral relations pages were created with little concern for sourcing, but something clearly exists here: in 2013, the two countries signed an aviation agreement [1]; in 2017, Nicaragua's president called on Turkish businesspeople to invest in Nicaragua [2]; in 2018, President Erdogan congratulated Ortega for his re-election [3], and the Nicaraguan government sent congratulations for the 95th anniversary of the Turkish republic [4]; The foreign ministers of Turkey and Nicaragua met in July 2019 ( tweet for WP:V purposes) and on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in September 2019 [5]. The foreign ministers met again in 2021 in Ankara where they signed an agreement on education cooperation and two memoranda of understanding [6], [7], with Turkey expressing opposition to sanctions against Nicaragua [8], and the Nicaraguan FM reiterating the collaboration of both countries on the strengthening of international law (which I assume is related to sanctions) [9], and discussing Nicaragua-Turkey relations [10]. In October 2021, the Nicaraguan government congratulated Erdogan for the 98th anniversary of the proclamation of the Turkish republic [11]. It is true that the two countries don't have embassies, but in October they both expressed their intention to open them ( Spanish EFE agency, again). I'm really bad with non-English Turkish sources, but if anyone wants to dig them out, they could also be useful to ascertain notability. Pilaz ( talk) 06:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- There was also a 2013 meeting between the minister of foreign affairs of both countries in 2013 at the UN, where the central theme was the deepening of economic relations [12]. A July 2017 meeting between the two (new) ministers in 2017 seems to have also taken place [13]. Regarding the opening of embassies, there was also this article [14], although I'm not sure of the date, given that two are listed. Finally, an in-depth article about Nicaragua-Turkey relations seems to have been written in the Nicaraguan newspaper La Prensa, but it's behind a paywall, so I can't evaluate its coverage [15]. Pilaz ( talk) 06:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Multiple reliable sources cover the economic relations which, while modest, do exist. It's the level of coverage which determines notability not the volume of trade. Greenshed ( talk) 17:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep in light of sources found by Pilaz. LibStar ( talk) 22:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Hat tip to Pilaz for digging up some media coverage, but to me this doesn't cut it. I'm just seeing brief coverage of standard diplomacy. "The president sends his congratulations to the president on his election" kind of stuff. I'm not saying these countries don't have relations or that their relationship isn't important, I just don't see that anyone is really talking about it in any real depth. Yilloslime ( talk) 21:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Although admittedly not the deepest relations, there is enough material here to merit an article, particularly in the light of the official agreements signed between the two countries, which is definitely distinct from the non-existent "relations" that we see on AfD and is indicative of something a notch up from your standard exchange of courtesies. Building on the sources given by Pilaz, see this for an overview of the two countries' relations in the Ottoman times as well as in the 2010s. That being said, if we had a separate article on Turkey's foreign policy on Central American nations, we may have considered merging (with some details also added to the relevant Nicaragua articles), but we don't, and a separate article is acceptable. -- GGT ( talk) 00:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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