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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 15:59, 18 April 2018 (UTC) reply

National League Division 1

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Non-notable second-tier Irish league – it's barely an amateur league. There is nothing distinguishing about this league, hence the copy-and-paste from Super League (Ireland). Fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 06:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Nat965 ( talk) 06:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Nat965 ( talk) 06:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. I cant find significant coverage from multiple, independent sources, unless they exist in Gaelic.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC) reply
    • Striking and re-voting below based on discussion with Guliolopez.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge to Basketball Ireland. No indication that the relevant WP:NSPORTS criteria are met or that WP:GNG is met. The links in the article (or otherwise available from a quick WP:GOOGLETEST) only/barely confirm that the league exists. Not that it meets the relevant notability criteria. If this content is to be retained (under a different title), it would seem at least plausible that a passing mention might be appropriate in the Basketball Ireland article. Guliolopez ( talk) 08:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
    • @ Guliolopez: Basketball Ireland is a governing body and is not about Basketball in Ireland. Not sure if this league is under the purview of Basketball Ireland or not.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:59, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
    • @ Guliolopez: Upon further reading, is National League Division I actually ran by Basketball Ireland itself? The RadioKerry source in the article says Fixtures for the upcoming 2017/18 Basketball Ireland National League season ... [1] Is it the same "Division 1" in the "National Leagues" table at Basketball_Ireland#Competitions? (If I'm naive, it's because I'm an American and thinking from the USA Basketball model, which doesn't operate any leagues.)— Bagumba ( talk) 10:06, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
      • Yes. That is my understanding. The body seems to operate two main mens competitions. The top-tier Premier/Super League [2] and the second-tier Division 1 League [3]. As per my note, I don't see that the second-tier league has enough independent coverage or notability to meet GNG - for a standalone article. But the small amount of cited/supported information could, instead, be trivially covered in the "parent" article. (FYI - I am not Irish basketball expert either. I have not been to a top-tier game in 30 years.) Guliolopez ( talk) 10:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
        • @Bagumba, @Guliolopez Basketball Ireland has four "National Leagues": Men's Super League, Women's Super League, Men's Division I, and Women's Division 1. The Super League (Ireland) article probably should incorporate the women's league as well, but the Women's Super League really isn't that notable. The only reason the Men's Super League is notable is due to it's heyday in the 1980s, with the influx of Americans. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 11:24, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to Basketball Ireland. After discussion above, it's clear that this is a league run by Basketball Ireland. With that in mind, "Basketball Ireland National League" provides more search results, and would have been a better title. I'm still not sure if it deserves a standalone. Barring more information, at worst, the guideline WP:AVOIDSPLIT advises that it's OK to split later, if needed: Editors are cautioned not to immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criterion nor the specific notability criteria for their topic. In this case, editors are encouraged to work on further developing the parent article first, locating coverage that applies to both the main topic and the subtopic. Through this process, it may become evident that subtopics or groups of subtopics can demonstrate their own notability, and thus can be split off into their own article. The content to be merged is quite small as well.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
There's nothing to merge though. Everything at National League Division 1 is generic. Everything one really needs to know about Basketball Ireland's competitions is at Basketball Ireland. To have a specific section on Division 1 would even be too much in my opinion. There is nothing overly defining about Division 1. "Basketball Ireland National League" is not a thing, rather "Basketball Ireland national leagues". DaHuzyBru ( talk) 12:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
I'm bending over backwards to WP:PRESERVE, but honestly don't know enough and will defer to experts if it's WP:UNDUE to merge. Even just listing the Div 1 teams is too much?— Bagumba ( talk) 12:35, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
I'd say so. I could give an Australian comparison to where those clubs are on the pyramid, but I wouldn't be able to give a US comparison. I think we've gone too in-depth into this very minor competition. I understand your naive positioning – I've had a niche interest in Irish basketball for a few years now, so this who debate seems overkill to me. Perhaps a PROD would have been more appropriate. DaHuzyBru ( talk) 13:47, 11 April 2018 (UTC) reply
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