- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep ( non-admin closure) per SNOW. This has run for two and a half weeks, and no one other than the nominator has expressed a desire to delete. Each of the keep votes is firmly couched in GNG. It is exceedingly unlikely that this AfD could be closed as anything other than Keep. p b p 22:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Nancy Redd
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Redd is notable for basically 2 things. One she was Miss Virginia, but it seems consensus is moving that winners of state beauty pageants are not notable for such. The other is she wrote a book, but there is no evidence that she passes the notability guidelines for writers. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:47, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
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- If found to not be independently notable, redirect to Miss Virginia as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there. North America 1000 16:14, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Hmmm. the book did get a smidgen of coverage: ABC News posted her essay about it. [1]; She has an online hosting gig with HuffPost Live : [2], a sort of MommyBlog on camera. Here's a recent interview in Working Mother: [3]. And one in Essence (magazine) : [4]. So, she does seem to me to pass notability as a JOURNALIST. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC) @ Northamerica1000:. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Sources. I took a look back on Proquest, and in 2003 she got a lot of coverage in major national press, the BeautyQueen/Harvard grad article seems to have caught the fancy of a large number of editors. That, plus the fact that she now has a journalism career with 2016 profile interviews in 2 major national magazines means that a good article can be sources. @
North America and
Johnpacklambert: to revisit.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 18:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Sources: (Harvard grad's next goal: Miss America ; Brainy say the crown is a good fit: [FINAL Edition] Barker, Olivia. USA TODAY [McLean, Va] 17 Sep 2003), (PAGEANTRY TAKES A CRIMSON PATH 2 HARVARD GRADS VIE TO BECOME MISS AMERICA AS INCUMBENT HEADS FOR CAMPUS: [THIRD Edition], Bombardieri, Marcella. Boston Globe [Boston, Mass] 08 July 2003), (Here She Comes, Harvard Graduate: [FINAL Edition] The Washington Post [Washington, D.C] 13 July 2003); there was intensive coverage of her in the Virginia papers (focusing on harvard and the fact that she had been a state ligislative page as a high school student) and in 2013 the New york Times revisited the whole brainy-beauty-pagent story (There She Is... New York Times (1923-Current file), Sep 15, 2013; The New York Times) in a story that described her as now a
HuffPost Live correspondent and focused on the fact tha beauty pageants are now a thing of the past..
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 18:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- The only thing I am seeing with the NYT is an article by Redd, which thus can not be used as a source to establish her notability.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 19:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- As for the NYTimes, yes, in the "Room for Debate" feature, a topic focused section where the Times invites the brief opinions of several notable people on a defined topic. 2013. [5]. But there are also many articles in that search from 2003 when the national press seems to have had a moment of fascination with the "brainy beauty" theme: [6], [7], and she was the smart beauty from Harvard. Now she is a journalist. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 19:45, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. @ Johnpacklambert: Please take a look at the articles in Working Mother and, especially, in Essense that I linked to above. the Essense article says that she has a new gig, a show on Fox cable that seems to be in a summer try-out phase, also covered here: [8] Here: [9] and here: [10]. She's had other rounds of coverage over the years, such as a moment a couple of years ago when some of the pageants ended bathing suit competitions, and everyone interviewed her: [11] and many more articles of the sort. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 19:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- The only thing I am seeing with the NYT is an article by Redd, which thus can not be used as a source to establish her notability.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 19:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Sources: (Harvard grad's next goal: Miss America ; Brainy say the crown is a good fit: [FINAL Edition] Barker, Olivia. USA TODAY [McLean, Va] 17 Sep 2003), (PAGEANTRY TAKES A CRIMSON PATH 2 HARVARD GRADS VIE TO BECOME MISS AMERICA AS INCUMBENT HEADS FOR CAMPUS: [THIRD Edition], Bombardieri, Marcella. Boston Globe [Boston, Mass] 08 July 2003), (Here She Comes, Harvard Graduate: [FINAL Edition] The Washington Post [Washington, D.C] 13 July 2003); there was intensive coverage of her in the Virginia papers (focusing on harvard and the fact that she had been a state ligislative page as a high school student) and in 2013 the New york Times revisited the whole brainy-beauty-pagent story (There She Is... New York Times (1923-Current file), Sep 15, 2013; The New York Times) in a story that described her as now a
HuffPost Live correspondent and focused on the fact tha beauty pageants are now a thing of the past..
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 18:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Sources. I took a look back on Proquest, and in 2003 she got a lot of coverage in major national press, the BeautyQueen/Harvard grad article seems to have caught the fancy of a large number of editors. That, plus the fact that she now has a journalism career with 2016 profile interviews in 2 major national magazines means that a good article can be sources. @
North America and
Johnpacklambert: to revisit.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 18:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project. No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 05:29, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 01:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 01:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:57, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:57, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep - If she only won Miss Virginia, I would say delete but because she has published a book, which has received some coverage, my vote is a weak keep. Meatsgains ( talk) 03:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. E.M.Gregory has shown that she is notable for several reasons. More than enough coverage. Some significant awards and accomplishments as well. Even if the state beauty pageant winner criterion is decided to be insufficient for an article, she has enough other accomplishments and coverage, and participation in the media, to be considered notable. Donner60 ( talk) 09:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as per above PageantUpdater ( talk) 00:27, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep per all above. Meets WP:GNG. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 23:41, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
- Keep That's a lot of secondary sourcing. I basically concur with the sense winning a state beauty pageant shouldn't automatically confer notability, partly because oftentimes it doesn't come with enough secondary source coverage to write a balanced article--but if someone's been covered enough to get over GNG, then, of course having won a state beauty pageant isn't disqualifying! Innisfree987 ( talk) 02:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as per above keep arguments.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 19:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
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