The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 00:24, 28 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Miss Rhode Island Teen USA

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This page is 100% unsourced. I thought surely the sponsoring organization would be a good source for all the detail about hometowns, ages, subsequent wins etc but no, they don't even find that detail important enough to track. They just offer a list of names and years, along side a list of Miss Rhode Island USA winners. That leaves us with a copyvio list of names and unverified details to go with the names. If the company does not even care enough to give the past winner list its own page with basic bio details, how can this be important enough for an article here? Perhaps a mention at the Miss Teen USA page is enough. http://www.missrhodeislandusa.com/rhodeisland_fame.html Legacypac ( talk) 01:49, 13 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Rhode Island-related deletion discussions. ssт✈ ^(discuss) 02:15, 13 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC) reply

• Delete or redirect if that's likely as well as there's nothing solid to suggest better independent notability for an article aside from the expected coverage for these pageants. SwisterTwister talk 06:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep - Note: I have heavily edited the article under consideration here. Pretty much all of the important info in the article is now sourced, and there do not appear to be any valid copyviolation concerns with the article at all. There are also a ton of other options for likely valid citation sources available, if one spent anytime trying to look for them. I would also note that AfD is not cleanup. Guy1890 ( talk) 09:37, 18 December 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep. While the contestants may or may not be notable, the contest certainly is notable; there is sufficient significant coverage by reliable sources. As noted above, AfD is not about the current state of the article so much as its potential. Jacona ( talk) 11:38, 21 December 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep and thank you to Guy1890 for his clean-up work. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:30, 22 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Compare to their major competition where one article covers all the states: Miss America's Outstanding Teen state pageants Legacypac ( talk) 03:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC) reply

And, guess what happened there? Your running mate sent that article to AfD, too. There really is no pleasing the anti-pageant crowd, because for some reason any coverage of pageants will somehow offend them, for whatever reason. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 03:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Perfectly - no rational for keeping, and when an example is provided, insults to the nominator and User:The_Banner who has not even commented here. I trust the closing admin will weigh these comments appropriately. Legacypac ( talk) 03:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Ejgreen77: I am not interested in personal attacks. Could you remove that? The Banner  talk 10:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure if you are proposing merging a bunch of state articles like the one under consideration here, but this is not the proper forum for that kind of discussion either. The article that you point to here for some reason is also currently over 127,000 bytes long, which is well over the mark when an article should be sub-divided.

I've also personally never heard of the Miss America's Outstanding Teen pageant system, but it appears to go back only to around 2005, while the article under consideration here goes back to around 1983. Guy1890 ( talk) 05:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep  35 edits to the article adding 66 citations after the nomination and the delete !vote makes those !votes dated.  Unscintillating ( talk) 01:17, 27 December 2015 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.