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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 06:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Megalopolis (film)
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Megalopolis (film)
Unreleased film that does not satisfy film notability or general notability. Unreleased films are only notable when production itself has been notable. There is a myth that films become notable when a reliable source states that principal photography has begun, but that is a myth, because principal photography is a necessary but not sufficient condition for notability of an upcoming film. Neither the article nor the sources say anything about principal photography except that it was planned to be in Georgia, and that it had begun, and the statements that it would be filmed in Georgia were made before the start of filming. None of the sources are independent secondary coverage. They are the usual pre-announcements that are always made about films that are in the works
| Reference Number | Reference | Comments | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | thefilmstage.com | Announcement of cast signings | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 2 | www.gq.com | Long interview in Gentlemen's Quartery with Coppola | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 3 | hollywoodreporter.com | Interview with Coppola | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 4 | deadline.com | Another interview with Coppola | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 5 | hollywoodreporter.com | Announcement that Coppola will make the film | No | No (too short) | Yes | No |
| 6 | deadline.com | Another interview with Coppola | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 7 | showbiz411.com | Announcements about casting | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 8 | deadline.com | Interview with Coppola | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 9 | deadline.com | Another discussion of casting | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 10 | hollywoodreporter.com | Another accouncement about casting | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 11 | deadline.com | A story about casting | No | Yes | Yes | No |
| 12 | productionlist.com | A database about films | Yes | No | Yes | No |
| 13 | ajc.com | Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Article that filming will be in Georgia | Yes | No | Yes | No |
| 14 | collider.com | Article that filming is about to start | No | No | Yes | No |
This article was one of two drafts about the film, but has been moved into article space. There had been a redirect from the title to Francis Ford Coppola, which the author moved to limbo. The originator has a right to move the article into article space, but the article does not have a right to be in article space. The other draft can be left in draft space to be reviewed when the film is released and becomes notable. Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Florida, and New York. Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This seems like a pretty open and shut keep. Francis Ford Coppola is a notable and significant filmmaker. The film is currently in production and expected to release. It's a movie with a number of significant American film stars. The article is well sourced, as OP has shown. The page contains information of casting, budget, and production history. This is a notable and well written page for a film that will only increase in relevance as time goes on. Should the film not release in a year and a half or so, then I think the page can be reassessed for deletion, but all of the sources show that this film is in production and headed for a scheduled release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A Little Alien ( talk • contribs) 08:30, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep fundamentally disagree this page doesn’t satisfy notability to be in mainspace. Frankly I find it incredibly frustrating how arbitrarily this topic is brought up, multiple drafts about films with sparse information get moved into mainspace with no trouble. If this was the regular for all pages I wouldn’t be experiencing this frustration but like I said it just feels very pick and choose. There is well over 20 years of coverage about this project detailed in the page, it’s not some random film that was only announced this year. The “myth” about films being notable when filming commences happens because at the guideline WP:NFF it states that an article is capable of being in mainspace if it can be supported that it has begun filming, which it has done so. That is besides the point anyway because it has been a long in development film that as stated has seen over 20 years of reporting on. Akira (planned film) is a page that exists in mainspace despite not even having any semblance of a current plan to begin filming in the near future but due to the years of reporting on was seen as being notable to be in mainspace. Additionally how are none of the sources about casting considered Secondary? Deadline Hollywood and The Hollywood Reporter are entities independent of Coppola reporting on the castings. I also don’t particularly like that you boilerplated the sources down as if they aren’t being used for specific reasons. For example the FilmStage source marked simply as “Announcement of cast signings” is cited to confirm the director of photography for the film. The GQ source is utilized to corroborate the premise included on the page. Bottom line is this is a notable production that has begun filming. Rusted AutoParts 08:37, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- I also don’t see why the other draft, Draft:Megalopolis is being paid so much credence. It only came into existence three days ago whereas the draft moved has existed for over a year and had seen activity from multiple contributing editors. Portions of the draft created by @ CoJaSm79: are unsourced, and smack of just being reworded content lifted from the Megalopolis section of the Francis Ford Coppola page. This all ignoring why a second draft about the exact same topic warranted creation due to the existence of the page in question right now. I fail to see how the editor was not aware it already existed when typing the name into search to begin the creation process. Rusted AutoParts 08:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The article is well sourced and the coverage (due in large part to Coppola's involvement) goes beyond typical pre-release publicity. I'd question the criteria being used to label most of the sources as not WP:INDY. Even if information comes from an interview and therefore that statement may be considered primary, the publication and editorial decisions involved remain independent of the subject for determining notability. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 12:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The sources are independent in the sense that they are financially and editorially unaffiliated with the article subject. Nardog ( talk) 12:26, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. There are wikipedia articles about films that were never made at all. This is a legendary procudtion (I first learned of it in 1997) by a legendary filmmaker, and it is happening. There are many articles about upcoming films whose 'production' is already less notable than this one. Deleting it would make no sense, as it will just be added back in a few months, anyway. Robbmonster ( talk) 14:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Per all the above. Clearly a notable film project by a notable filmmaker. (I'd even been considering moving it to mainspace on that basis per GNG even before filming began, but held off once a date for filming was announced, as the date was only a couple of months away by that time.) BilCat ( talk) 03:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Passes WP:NFF. Filming has begun and the production itself is notable enough. The Film Creator ( talk) 12:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.