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The result was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 23:27, 28 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Mayor of Delran Township, New Jersey

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A list of mayor for a township of less than 17,000 people. Most of the list is not even reliably sourced thus failing WP:V. Appears to contain WP:OR since even the Delran Historical Society (which I wouldn't consider reliable anyway) does not have the complete list on their website [1] None of the mayors appear to be notable by themselves either which means the entire list would fail the requirements of WP:LISTPEOPLE Rusf10 ( talk) 21:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC) reply

comment. I believe what's missing on the list is pictures of some of the mayors, not the mayors themselves. Jacona ( talk) 16:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 22:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 22:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 22:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 22:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete per nom. None of these people is likely to get an article as mayor, so it's rather pointless to have a list of redlinks. Clarityfiend ( talk) 19:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Strictly speaking, the question of whether these people would qualify for their own standalone biographical articles or not isn't controlling on whether there's value in maintaining a list of their names or not — for closed-ended lists with defined inclusion criteria, like mayors of a place, it's more important that a list be complete than it is that it comprise exclusively blue links. (We do have the option of placing a "blue links only" restriction on open-ended lists that have a tendency to attract the addition of non-notable publicity seekers, like generic indexes of writers or musicians or people-from-city, but lists that are constrained by their own definitions to a specific and closed-ended set of topics, such as lists of holders of specific political titles, are allowed to contain redlinked or unlinked names.)
  Rather, the important problem here is that the list is not fully referenced in order to ensure that it is (and stays) accurate: if somebody were to edit this list to change any of the information in it, for the majority of the people here we would have no way of verifying whether that was a helpful correction or a vandalistic uncorrection. So if we can't actually find a complete list of Delran's mayors anywhere else to verify this against, then we can't keep it unless every name in the list gets referenced to at least one reliable source of its own. Bearcat ( talk) 13:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply
• Keep, per Bearcat ( talk and this reference, list of delran mayors. It references every mayor up to June 2016, which gets us into the internet age with plenty of sources. Jacona ( talk) 14:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply

The applicable guideline is WP:LISTBIO, which states "Inclusion within stand-alone lists should be determined by the normal criteria established for that page. Inclusion in lists contained within articles should be determined by WP:SOURCELIST, in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including Wikipedia:Trivia sections)." In other words, the inclusion criteria can be set in the article (for instance, it doesn't have to be bluelinks). A finite list like this is very different from a list of alumni that by nature could swell to a large number of entries were inclusion criteria like write the article first not applied. Jacona ( talk) 16:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply

While I don't think the page needs deletion, merging it into Delran Township, New Jersey might be a better option. Jacona ( talk) 16:58, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep or Merge into Delran Township, New Jersey. A verifiable list of mayors of a jurisdiction is appropriate for this project. Whether that list is a stand-alone article or contained within the article of the jurisdiction is a matter of editorial judgement (based on other policies and practices). My sense is the Delran Historical Society page contains an accurate list. -- Enos733 ( talk) 20:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply
• Merge/Delete Perhaps in a collapsable table, this is not exactly a notable position and the officeholders are not inherently notable. Reywas92 ^Talk 22:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply
• Keep- References available. A merge would make Delran Township, New Jersey too long. Djflem ( talk) 05:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete Per nom, per Bearcat. I'm can't find any guidance on notability of lists per se (someone please let me know if there is one; WP:LISTPEOPLE is about inclusion in a list, not about whether the itself should exist), but I'm inclined that if the topic of list (mayor of Delran Township) is non-notable, and most (or all) of the list members are non-notable, then we shouldn't have the list. Yilloslime ( talk) 03:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete- Yilloslime said it better than I could. Neither the topic of the list, nor most of the members of it, are notable. Therefore there's no justification for the list itself. Reyk _YO! 10:34, 11 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Past guidance from the community has generally kept lists of mayors that are sufficiently sourced (but not lists of deputy mayors or councilmembers). As I wrote in WP:Articles_for_deletion/Mayor_of_Chesterfield, "Keep per WP:CSC (point 3). The list of mayors of a particular city or town can be verifiably complete and provides the 'retention of encyclopedic information' while each mayor may not warrant a separate article." I would encourage reading the discussion in WP:Articles for deletion/List of mayors of Farmington, Missouri, which was closed as "move to draft space" because the sources were not present, and WP:Articles for deletion/Mayors of Teaneck, New Jersey (2nd nomination), which closed as "keep." -- Enos733 ( talk) 19:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Merge into main Delran Township article. John M Wolfson ( talk) 17:00, 21 April 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete This article fails WP:NPOL, WP:GNG, and WP:LISTN because it lacks sustained WP:SIGCOV demonstrating these individuals collected as a group are notable outside historical society type fans within that small city. The sources are pretty much all local and do not demonstrate widespread notability for this topic. Newshunter12 ( talk) 06:10, 28 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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