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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 23:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Mark Bezos

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Not notable. What independent coverage exists is all in connection to his brother ( WP:INVALIDBIO/ WP:NOTINHERITED), and mostly about their recent spaceflight ( WP:BLP1E/ WP:NOTNEWS), so it should probably be redirected to one of those articles. –  Joe ( talk) 12:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. –  Joe ( talk) 12:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The subject is clearly notable now that they are a pioneering astronaut. Any profile of him is clearly going to mention his famous brother too but that's unavoidable and so is not a reason to delete. The nomination does not seem to have done any WP:BEFORE and additional detailed sources seem easy to find such as this extensive profile in the Evening Standard – familiar to me as a major London newspaper. This demonstrates international detailed coverage – an easy pass of WP:BASIC. See WP:ATD, WP:NEXIST and WP:DINC. Andrew🐉( talk) 13:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    There's quite a big difference between sources mentioning his famous brother, and sources consistently being titled "Jeff Bezos' brother..." – often not even mentioning Mark Bezos by name. The ES source, like the rest, are just passing news coverage of the single event Mark Bezos is known for, newsworthy only because of his brother. "Pioneering astronaut" is a matter of opinion, but with our upper atmosphere rapidly filling up with the ultra-rich, I don't think we can say that tagging along with one of them is a guarantee that more substantial sources will materialise in future. The very thin biographical details in this article could easily be covered in, for example, Jeff Bezos#Family or Blue Origin NS-16#Crew. –  Joe ( talk) 08:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    The Standard's headline starts "Mark Bezos:" and it is very clear that he is the subject. The profile is quite lengthy and detailed, as these things go, and is an excellent biographical source – much better than we get for numerous other BLPs. So, we already have adequate sources to demonstrate notability per WP:BASIC. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
    Full of rich biographical details like When Mark interviewed Jeff on stage at a Summit leadership event in 2017, they exhibited a similar dress sense, both wearing blue jeans, leather shoes and tight, dark polo shirts, you mean? Or that he has an expensive house and is a volunteer fireman? This is flimsy, bootlicking gossip pages stuff, not in-depth coverage of a figure with enduring notability. –  Joe ( talk) 16:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep A few arguments (and questions) from the original creator, on the outside visible just via the dynamic 37.48.50.33, on the inside a contributor who has been on Wikipedia for more than 14 years (which, of course, doesn't mean that I own the truth :) )
    • This was the first Blue Origin suborbital spaceflight with humans aboard. I'd say that is notable in itself - in a natural way. Were it a 6,754th flight, I'd probably ignore the event. But this was the first one. If we deleted, the readers would have some hard time to find out more details about the ship's crew. Propelled by sheer curiosity, I went to the English wiki a short while after the landing for more info about the members, failing at no entry for Mark Bezos. I was in fact wondering that the English variant had not existed before the flight took place. Was Mark Bezos for some reason ignored by the mainstream media before the event?
    • If deleted, the category pages /info/en/?search=Category:People_who_have_flown_in_suborbital_spaceflight and especially /info/en/?search=Category:New_Shepard_astronauts will appear a bit ... incomplete.
    • If deleted, Mark Bezos will remain notable and listed on
    • From a purely formal view, suggesting to delete it would in my case contradict the intention to create the article stub. – 37.48.50.33 ( talk) 22:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - As stated by Andrew Davidson above, "any profile of him is clearly going to mention his famous brother too." Analyzing this based on WP:NOTINHERITED, we need to determine if he is being mentioned in press about his brother or if his brother is being mentioned in press about him. Mark would meet WP:GNG as there is significant coverage ABOUT HIM that mentions Jeff, not just significant coverage ABOUT JEFF that mentions him. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 05:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Weak delete (I PRODed the article shortly after creation on much the same grounds as this nominator. It was then BOLDly redirected to Blue Origin NS-16 and then restored to a separate article.) Although there is some decent coverage of Mark as a consequence of this flight, I still think this is precisely the sort of article designed to be captured by WP:ONEEVENT. I cannot see that he had any notability before it, nor have I been able to find any real pre-event SIGCOV ( this article is all I could find, which seems more like a puff piece for a TED talk). When it comes to this event, his only contribution was as a passenger, a status derived from being related to the person who paid for it - he didn't come up with the idea, or do anything other than sit there whilst it happened. If you compare that to the examples in ONEEVENT it's hard to justify a standalone article. In summary, I can't see any notability outside this ONEEVENT and his contribution to the ONEEVENT was not significant enough to justify an article. Put it this way: I don't feel as though the encyclopaedia would lose anything at all if, instead of this page, there was simply a short paragraph at Blue Origin NS-16 explaining the background of the various passengers. That said, it is a decently sourced article, and it's not doing any damage, so it's a policy-based delete rather than a deeply-principled one. ninety: one 11:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep That Mark Bezos is a non-astronaut in space is meaningful, and there will undoubtably need for this page in the future. Beelteboom ( talk) 19:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 23:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:1E: If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. Being one of four on that crew would be significant enough, in my opinion, even if he weren't Jeff Bezos' brother. He has - by completing the flight - qualified as a commercial astronaut, a distinction held by only 7 people at present. Being one of eight (or eleven if you include the entire crew of this flight) to achieve that status would, separately, be significant enough in my opinion. Whether we like it or not, (and regardless of how he got there; one of the others bought his place at auction) he will be considered a pioneer of commercial space flight. St★lwart 111 23:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per the arguments above. He even had some level of notability before the space flight with a Ted talk and some other minor coverage. Of course most sources will emphasise the fact that his brother is the richest man in the world but this doesn't prevent him being notable. Not sure why consensus has not already been called for this one considering the above discussion. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 04:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep First flight on New Shepard. Besides he is milionaire.-- Alex Blokha ( talk) 11:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Clearly his position on the flight is notable. Even if he is not as trained as Apollo 11 crews, he is an astronaut. In few decades people flying into space won't be notable as more commercial space flights open up, but for now it is very notable. SunDawn talk 11:53, 30 July 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. If he is only notable for being a passenger on the NS-16 flight and being Jeff Bezos' brother, he is not notable enough to have an article devoted to him. If there are other things which make him notable, then that might be different. But being related to someone and flying on a rocket does not seem to be sufficient. And the NS-16 rocket flight itself is of questionable historical notability. Fcrary ( talk) 04:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per arguments above, specifically in terms of WP:1E. Mbdfar ( talk) 06:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per arguments above, and especially first crew of a new spacecraft. Hektor ( talk) 20:56, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply
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