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The result was delete. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 09:04, 27 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Marc D. Grossman (attorney)

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None of the references apart from possibly the local Long Island article cover him significantly, or are not reliable per our notability guidelines. Also written promotionally. At AfD because PROD was declined on wrong speedy deletion grounds. Fails WP:GNG, WP:PROMO. SportingFlyer T· C 03:20, 20 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T· C 03:20, 20 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T· C 03:20, 20 December 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Grossman does not meet WP:GNG or WP:N and certainly does not meet WP:SIGCOV. Simply put under WP:N and applicable here, Grossman fails to meet the requirement as he "has [failed to] receive significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject[.]" Therefore, "it is presumed to [not] be suitable for a stand-alone article." (Emphasis added). Dr42 ( talk) 03:24, 20 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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• Delete Fails GNG. Pretty obviously promotional, either likely paid someone or is an autobio. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 15:49, 20 December 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete. No indication of notability, and the article is a mere WP:RESUME. TJRC ( talk) 19:56, 20 December 2019 (UTC) reply
• Keep As I said on the talk page, I believe Marc Grossman is notable and has received significant coverage from reliable sources, but I am also still learning so I may be mistaken. I recognize the original version was flawed, but both I and other editors have improved the page significantly in successive versions. Today I expanded his legal career section to better capture Grossman's newsworthy and noteworthy lawsuits in a manner that is (hopefully) more appropriate. And I added a section on his ownership of the Mets de Guaynabo, a defunct Puerto Rican basketball team that is restarting for the 2020 season. Grossman has been the subject of significant Spanish-language coverage in Puerto Rico and will likely continue to be as the team is in the news. I am not connected with Marc Grossman, I've never met the guy, and I wasn't even aware he existed until a few weeks ago. I thought he would make a worthwhile contribution to the encyclopedia. If that's not the case, so be it. I believe the page is significantly improved and I would love any advice for how to keep continuing to improve it. - JoeyHarmon ( talk) 21:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC) reply

The references in the article that are actually about him that are not independent of him; and the references that are independent of him are not about him. Is there something you can point to that actually backs up your claim of notability?

Your comment above seems to be an argument that you believe he ought to be notable, i.e., ought to be getting third-party independent coverage; but if he isn't, that's not particularly material to the issue. Wikipedia is not the organ for achieving notability. TJRC ( talk) 03:02, 26 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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