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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 07:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Loyola College, Mettala
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It exists, but fails the notability guidelines. No sources conform WP:RS given and I could not find others and no prove of notability. The Banner talk 21:17, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 05:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 05:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Comment/question: Our article says that this college is affiliated to Periyar University, citing the website of that institution as a source. But the only "Loyola College" listed there is "Loyola College of Arts & Science (Co.Ed); Oilpatty Village, Rasipuram (TK)". Is this the same college? I notice that the Oilpatty college is not listed here. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 18:07, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 03:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 03:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Delete unless any independent reliable source can be found, in any language, to confirm the affiliation to
Periyar University (in which case a redirect would be appropriate). I can find no indication of independent notability –
0 hits on GNews,
2 passing mentions on GBooks.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 20:58, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Periyar University, strike 'delete' !vote, as the evidence of the affiliation I asked for has now been found (I could perhaps even have found it myself). There's still nothing to say about the school, so no reason to have an article on it. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 22:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep Verified Colleges are generally kept. A page that needs improvement is not grounds for deletion. Instead try posting it to regional boards to see if anyone there can help find more sources.
Egaoblai (
talk) 22:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- It fails notability... The Banner talk 15:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Verified degree-awarding institution. We keep these. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- Based on what policy? The Banner talk 15:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- That's good news,
Necrothesp! What reliable independent source have you found that verifies that status? Would you like to either mention it here or add it to the article? Because at the moment there's no verification of that at all; I don't even see any unverified claim that it awards degrees.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 16:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
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Periyar University lists it as an affiliated college. The fact this Loyola College is the same one, despite not listed here as being in Mettala, is confirmed by the
address on its own website. Given it is an affiliated college of an accredited university, I think we can accept the information on its own website (such as the fact it awards degrees) as reliable. Affiliated colleges in India are independent institutions; they are not actually part of the universities to which they are affiliated, so separate articles are more appropriate than redirects. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 10:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Where do you see it on that list,
Necrothesp? I see only one Loyola College, number 95 on the list, and nothing to suggest that it is the same institution – please see my question about this higher up the page.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 11:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Please read my post in full. The address listed for that Loyola College and the address on the Loyola College, Mettala, website are the same! Logic would suggest therefore that it is the same institution. Or maybe two different institutions with similar names occupying the same place in time and space! --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Necrothesp, found it (that's some very small print!). Sorry to have been so obtuse, Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 22:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Please read my post in full. The address listed for that Loyola College and the address on the Loyola College, Mettala, website are the same! Logic would suggest therefore that it is the same institution. Or maybe two different institutions with similar names occupying the same place in time and space! --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Where do you see it on that list,
Necrothesp? I see only one Loyola College, number 95 on the list, and nothing to suggest that it is the same institution – please see my question about this higher up the page.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 11:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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Periyar University lists it as an affiliated college. The fact this Loyola College is the same one, despite not listed here as being in Mettala, is confirmed by the
address on its own website. Given it is an affiliated college of an accredited university, I think we can accept the information on its own website (such as the fact it awards degrees) as reliable. Affiliated colleges in India are independent institutions; they are not actually part of the universities to which they are affiliated, so separate articles are more appropriate than redirects. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 10:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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We don't need a policy. We have precedent. I know you dispute that any precedents exist to keep anything ever, but it's a fact nonetheless. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 10:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, the classic circular reasoning based to keep stuff because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past. But no policy to back that up.
The Banner
talk 13:12, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- No, not rising to it. Just not worth it. Opinion expressed. Evidence cited. Precedent clear. End of. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Yep, no evidence, no policy, just circular reasoning. The Banner talk 13:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- No, not rising to it. Just not worth it. Opinion expressed. Evidence cited. Precedent clear. End of. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, the classic circular reasoning based to keep stuff because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past because similar stuff was kept in the past. But no policy to back that up.
The Banner
talk 13:12, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- That's good news,
Necrothesp! What reliable independent source have you found that verifies that status? Would you like to either mention it here or add it to the article? Because at the moment there's no verification of that at all; I don't even see any unverified claim that it awards degrees.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 16:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 18:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 18:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep the Hindu Times article cited notes the college and one of its leaders is quoted. Verifiable colleges such as this one are deemed notable. Should be renamed Loyola College of Arts & Science (Mettala, India).
FloridaArmy (
talk) 12:11, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- That article in the Hindu Times is just a passing mention. The article is about the doctoral thesis of a man who just works at Loyola College, it is not about the College itself. And please, read WP:RS, as all other sources are related or social media. The Banner talk 12:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - this one is tricky. It didn't help that the URL was wrong, but I fixed it. I'm not familiar enough about Wikipedia's college notability policy, but if this were a standalone business, it would fail WP:GNG and be a delete. If consensus is that it's notable just for existing, than it's a keep. I do see several teachers and graduates promoting their attendance at the school, so its existence shouldn't be in question. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
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