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The result was merge to Dee Time. j⚛e decker ^talk 15:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC) reply

Lorna McDonald

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Apparently non-notable person. I can find just about no information about her, and the article itself contains virtually no information; it's also mostly based on one source. What's in the article is not actually about her but about a short-lived TV series, Dee Time, in which she appeared in the opening credits. Dee Time itself might perhaps be notable, though it doesn't currently have an article, but Lorna McDonald doesn't meet the notability requirements for biographies. Robofish ( talk) 21:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC) reply

(Notifying principal contributors: User:BONNUIT, User:IXIA.) Robofish ( talk) 21:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 22:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC) reply

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:56, 4 October 2014 (UTC) reply

• Leave for now? Your comments suggest you may not be acquainted with the subject/background - for example, Dee Time was a massively popular show at the time (almost 50 years ago - when, of course, the sort of information the article contains wouldn't routinely have been recorded on the internet, etc as it is now). Might be better to leave it flagged in the hope the someone can pick it up - eg for an article about Dee Time. Rather pointless, in my view, merely to delete it. IXIA ( talk) 12:15, 4 October 2014 (UTC) reply
• Delete or merge into new article on Dee Time - There ought to be an article on Dee Time before we can even consider an article on an uncredited bit-part. There's probably a case for adding a few bits of info into Simon Dee but clearly it would all be much more appropriate for Dee Time. Basically, Lorna McDonald appeared in a classic sequence, but doesn't appear to have done anything else to make her famous or notable. Her claim of notability is on a level with, say, Emily Firmin, the Bagpuss title sequence girl (although Emily has more sources on her). It seems that pretty much everything that is known about Lorna McDonald is in relation to this title sequence. I see this as similar to having an article on the subject of a notable photograph - although the image/artwork may be famous, the sitter does not necessarily inherit notability merely for being in it. For example, Adam Perry - the chap in L'Enfant_(poster) - is of very dubious individual notability beyond his being in an Extremely Famous Photograph. Mabalu ( talk) 14:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC) reply
• Merge I agree with Mabalu that it might make sense to have an article on Dee Time, which did have huge viewing figures, and that would be the sensible place to put this information if we tidy up the refs a bit. I've just just made a quick check online and of The Times archive and The Guardian archive and can't see any reference to McDonald – the archive includes the 1960s when she would have been in circulation, so I can't see any evidence she meets notability guidelines for a standalone article. Unless and until Dee Time is written, she is mentioned on Simon Dee which is where this information could sit. Libby norman ( talk) 14:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica ¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica ¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC) reply

• Delete or merge I agree that it's the series that seems to have been notable and would support a merge to an article on that. EBY ( talk) 02:18, 24 October 2014 (UTC) reply

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