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The result was delete. postdlf ( talk) 19:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC) reply

List of short story competitions

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Fails WP:NOTDIR and WP:LINKFARM. Zhaofeng Li [ talk... contribs... 12:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 13:30, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 13:30, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As it stands, this is a directory of short story competitions aimed at would-be writers, rather than a list of Wikipedia articles or a summary article aimed at the general reader who want information on prizes and their winners, and therefore it fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. There is scope for an article - there are a few possibly notable short story competitions, such as
But the article would need a major change to focus on the notable examples. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 14:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Colapeninsula. Wikipedia:Blow it up and start over. Clarityfiend ( talk) 21:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The short story competitions themselves don't need to be notable. Notability is not a requirement for content, editors have discretion what to include in an article so long as it's reliably sourced. The question for AfD is if, in general, a list of competitions is notable. Other lists like this exist outside Wikipedia. For example: [9] [10] [11] Calling it a "link farm" doesn't make sense since the links are part of the reason for the list. Nor does NOTDIR make sense since this is not an indiscriminate list, there are limited entries and clear delineation. -- Green C 04:07, 6 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • So I could scrounge up $350, self publish an anthology and add my contest to the list? Clarityfiend ( talk) 04:59, 6 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Or better yet, announce a contest with no prizes mentioned (or much in the way of other details) and add a now dead link, just like "The Self-Publishing Review Writer's Awards"? Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Those are specific content issues. Talk page discussions. AfD is topic-level. -- Green C 05:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Not when not a single one of these contests has a source. Then it's TNT time. Clarityfiend ( talk) 11:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC) reply
They are sourced to WP:PRIMARY sources which is permissible for determining existence. I agree it needs more secondaries but that's not reason to delete just to {{ refimprove}}. -- Green C 15:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • @ Green Cardamom: - Notability is a requirement for list items in the vast majority of cases, though. The sourcing is what provides evidence for that (i.e. beyond existence and fit for the subject of the article). As this is not the kind of list that can possibly be exhaustive and is not the kind of list with items that inherently fail notability criteria. It's just a list of stuff that's generally not notable. Just like you can't add your non-notable band to List of metalcore bands just because it can be proven to exist, you can't just add an event to a list without showing it's notable. If external links are a major reason for the list then it specifically runs afoul of WP:LINKFARM, doesn't it? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, though. From my perspective, it doesn't matter how many sources list short story competitions -- if no short story competition is notable, then those sources would just go towards an article for short story competition and not a list of specific examples. --— Rhododendrites talk |  04:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Agree with the assessment that it's a link farm with no viable entries. As with my comments above, I don't think the notability of this subject matters if it won't be populated by any notable examples. A subject can be notable without meriting a stand-alone article. Sources on lists of short story competitions should be used for short story competition. --— Rhododendrites talk |  04:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Wikipedia is not a directory. The list also lacks a proper WP:LEAD and statement of selection criteria. Lists are better if the topic of the list has been the subject of discussion in reliable secondary sources, such as List of actresses who portrayed Bond girls, now at Bond girls. Absence of such discussion usually indicates that a list is not notable. -- Bejnar ( talk) 09:49, 17 June 2014 (UTC) reply
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