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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

List of roundabouts in Washington (state)

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There are thousands upon thousands of roundabouts in the world (as the article states, 430 in Washington state alone), no idea why we would want to list them all. What's next, list of level crossings? Fails WP:NLIST. Fram ( talk) 17:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Transportation, Lists, and Washington. Fram ( talk) 17:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom, not a viable idea for a list. Violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE and should have its own Roundabout Wiki. Geschichte ( talk) 19:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. A list of notable roundabouts might make a good article, but as none of the articles in Category:Roundabouts and traffic circles in the United States are in Washington state it's too soon for such a list to exist. FWIW Rotaries in Massachusetts exists but other than the lead paragraph suffers from the same issues as this list. Thryduulf ( talk) 19:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Keep: precedent for such a list from Rotaries in Massachusetts, List of traffic circles in New Jersey, List of circles in Washington, D.C., etc.
  Per WP:LISTN, roundabouts in the state are frequently discussed as a group in reliable sources, with articles discussing the recent increase in roundabout construction in WA, tracking the number of roundabouts built, WSDOT's desire to replace other intersection types with roundabouts across the state, and guides for motorists to learn how to drive through state roundabouts.
  I was surprised by the 430 number myself. It's possible that figure includes minor implementations such as neighborhood traffic circles; what WSDOT calls "modern roundabouts" are more notable and less numerous. As an alternative to deletion, WP:LISTCRITERIA could be limited to modern/major roundabouts, roundabouts on State highways in Washington or controlled by WSDOT, etc. Would also accept a move to Roundabouts in Washington (state), I guess, if it's the list that is in contention. PK-WIKI ( talk) 19:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I would say that the listing is the main point of contention. Discourse about the number of roundabouts increasing does not mean that a collection (i.e. list) of each individual roundabout, including coordinates etc., bears encyclopedic relevance. The word "precedent" is disconcerting in that regard: In Norway, there are 3,428 roundabouts on national and county roads alone. The number excludes roundabouts on municipal roads, which makes the total skyrocket even higher. The encyclopedic topic at hand might be an article about the development and tendency to build roundabouts in region A, B or C. Geschichte ( talk) 20:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • There doesn't appear to be a strong consensus for these lists. The only formal discussion I've found is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of traffic circles in New Jersey from 2005 and that ended in "no consensus" and the three pages you list, along with this one, appear to be the only pages on the project that list or discuss roundabouts, traffic circles or rotaries in a given area. Thryduulf ( talk) 21:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: WSDOT has a page about proper driving in a roundabout: [1], and I can find several other articles relating to proper driving in roundabouts in WA state (not all from reliable sources). But I have yet to find any source that discusses roundabouts in Washington as a coherent single topic, and all of the sources cited in the article are primarily about other topics, making this article reek of WP:SYNTH. And anyway, a one-item list isn't much of a list at all. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 02:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Does not meet LISTN due to sources not discussing the topic in-depth and as a group; there are only occasional articles that mention more than one roundabout project at a time. The article's current contents can easily be merged into various other articles. Sounder Bruce 03:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete fails LISTN. Other articles on circles might not - isn't Washington DC famous for its circles? SportingFlyer T· C 16:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete—this topic on its own is not notable. Other similar lists may be, but this one is not. Imzadi 1979  → 05:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete. There is nothing notable about roundabouts, a pretty common road intersection feature globally. Even though there aren't typically many in the US doesn't make this a notable topic. Ajf773 ( talk) 10:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete – two entries does not proves that it is a "list". Toadette ^{( Let's discuss together!)} 17:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete Not a notable grouping in secondary sources, fails WP:LISTN. Let'srun ( talk) 02:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom etc -- Devoke water 15:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.