The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit 03:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC) reply

List of presidents/prime ministers by longevity (batch nomination)

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Trivial cross-categorisations ("age at death" and "former political office holder") which are also statistical trivia and which typically fail to cite a single source, thus not meeting either of WP:V or WP:LISTN, and violating WP:OR. Just a massive collection of WP:TRIVIA ( one article has a Presidents by age group (Septuagenarian, Quinquagenarian, Quadragenarian etc.) table and chart...) only some of which is: ages and lengths of time repeatedly given in years and days; many further calculate how many xx,xxx thousands of days someone was/is alive or retired; some have a section for the apparently Wikipedia editor created title "oldest living leader of x" over time. The relevant parent lists are of a vastly higher quality and are all Wikipedia needs.

Follows recent precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of chancellors of Germany by age, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Italian presidents by longevity, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German presidents by longevity; and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of heads of state of Bulgaria by longevity. Newshunter12 ( talk) 17:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Newshunter12 ( talk) 17:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC) reply

• Comment The List of prime ministers of the Netherlands by age page has a table that displays the PM by time in office. Not sure why exactly its in this article but I think this table in particular should be kept somewhere in line with recent precedents. Superegz ( talk) 21:04, 11 November 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Superegz The article List of prime ministers of the Netherlands already has that sortable column, it's just only in days, not years and days like here. Nothing will be lost if this article is deleted, and the other article can be easily altered to display time in office in years and days format if that is what you prefer. I hope that satisfies your concern. Newshunter12 ( talk) 04:06, 12 November 2021 (UTC) reply

No not really, for the same reasons that we debated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Australian prime ministers by political affiliation a couple of weeks ago. Once again you and Vladimir.copic are trying to turn 2 tables that are displaying different types of information into one and it simply doesn't work. Superegz ( talk) 08:13, 13 November 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete content forks of their respective "List of presidents/prime ministers of X" pages. Unnecessary listcruft. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 04:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC) reply
• Keep The sourcing issue is easily resolved because a head of state/government's birthdates, death dates, and terms of office are easily sourced. The discussion of a head of state/government's age is frequently discussed in the press. I turn to the arguments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom by age, particularly those by SSSB. OCNative ( talk) 20:00, 12 November 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete, per precedent in several recent discussions. Longevity and career is a non-encyclopedic cross-categorization. Also WP:NOTSTATS. pburka ( talk) 21:03, 12 November 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete per precedent, more WP:NOTSTATS WP:CONTENTFORK longevity trivia junk. Dronebogus ( talk) 18:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete per precedent and WP:SNOW flurries. Clarityfiend ( talk) 00:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete Fails WP:NOSTATS and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Avilich ( talk) 01:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete all – Again, all these are indiscriminate lists, with trivia information, failing WP:NOTSTATS and WP:CONTENTFORK guidelines. – Kavyansh.Singh ( talk) 11:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete Any group of people can theoretically be listed by any number of parameters. However, most of those combinations of groups and parameters constitute WP:Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations. In order for such a list to make for a valid stand-alone article, there needs to be a good reason why that particular group should be listed by that particular parameter. Otherwise, WP:DELREASON#14 (Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia) applies. In this case, it has not been demonstrated that there is a good reason to list these groups by this parameter. TompaDompa ( talk) 17:28, 20 November 2021 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.