The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was no consensus. There seems to be some agreement that there's unnecessary duplication between the various articles listing equipment, but no consensus as to which should be the primary article for this list, with at least three different pages proposed here. Discussion on a selective merger should continue on the respective article Talk pages.
Owen×☎ 11:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Additional note (2): the article is now also duplicate with to
Polish Navy#Aircraft, so the lead sentence is revised to reflect this duplicate.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 01:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Additional note (3): also tried
WP:A10, but was blocked. lead sentence is rewrited to remove duplicate arguments.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 23:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Because individual lists exist for each branch, and then another summary exists. The problem of the list in the other pages is that it lacks details, and people don't want additional details there. At least here, there is more clarity.
If the images are a problem, then it should be a problem with
Thank you for the information, if it was really a duplicate then it may be on my next to do list. Afeterall, I do have history to remove duplicate table Air Force inventory table in the past, such as
Yemeni Air Force,
Gabon Air Force,
Indonesian Air Force, and more.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 06:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep This article is longer and has pictures. So against redirecting it there. Also there are over a hundred articles like this.
Category:Lists_of_military_aircraft.
DreamFocus 04:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You link to a discussion had in 2015, with 4 wanting to get rid of images like this, and 1 wanting to keep it. So 5 people decided something in a two week discussion most never noticed, 9 years ago. I think a new discussion is warranted with greater participation, and not just about aircraft, but list of tanks, ships, and whatnot.
DreamFocus 08:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
It's true that consensus can change per
WP:CCC. However, until new consensus reached, it doesn't means we can disregard existing consensus.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 08:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The presence or absence of photos is irrelevant re AfD. @
Ckfasdf: put the "disruptive editing" cudgel away. //
Timothy ::
talk 15:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 22:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: Content is well sourced, I can't see merging with parents due to size, community consensus accepts these military equipment lists generally meet notability requirements. I do think the duplicate lists in the individual branch articles should be removed and replaced with a hat pointing to the appropriate spot in this list, eg: rm
Polish Air Force#Aircraft and replace with hatnote to
List of Polish military aircraft#Polish air force. //
Timothy ::
talk 07:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TimothyBlue: The existing parent articles (such as
Polish Air Force,
Polish Land Forces, and
Polish Navy) already contain lists of military equipment. According to
WP:SIZE, a
WP:SPINOFF is warranted only if there are concerns about article size. However, the parent articles size are not excessively large, ranging from only 250-350kB. Therefore, there appears to be no necessity for a
WP:SPLITLIST at this time.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 07:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Everything is not black and white, there are plenty of gray areas where an issue is either up to editorial discretion or community consensus. In this case their is a community consensus that these lists (Lists of military equipment) are generally notable, useful for readers, and having the information in one place is easier to keep updated. I see no reason to have this information split into multiple articles. The editors in this thread seem to agree. //
Timothy ::
talk 15:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
While it's true that not everything is black and white, plenty of gray, and there are even times when rules can be ignored per
WP:IAR, there must be a compelling reason to justify such exceptions, like bypassing
WP:SIZE guidelines. While the List by itself is generally notable, the issue at hand involves potential
duplication. If we look up other
Air Forces pages, it's evident that out of 147 Air Force articles, 128 integrate the inventory table into the air forces article itself, while only 17 opt for separate presentation, including as a List. This indicates that the most common or preferred approach to displaying aircraft inventory table to readers is within the air force article itself.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 14:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. This is a very well phrased rationale; issues have been identified, alternatives have been considered, and deletion has been requested in accordance with our policies and guidelines. The only reason to keep would be to merge it properly by removing the texts from the 3 source pages and removing the images as demanded by Convention.
NLeeuw (
talk) 07:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I don't see a consensus here yet. The nominator might have more success with a compelling Merger proposal rather than a strong demand to delete an article that other editors find appropriate. But without providing a new perspective, this discussion is verging on bludgeoning. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 23:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Clarityfiend: As I mentioned on the lead, if the list is only duplicate to either
Polish Air Force#Aircraft,
List of equipment of the Polish Land Forces#Aircraft, or
Polish Navy#Aircraft, then I would suggest to merge/redirect to one of them per
WP:MERGEREASON. But, they are three different list belong to different branch of armed forces. And 128 of 147 Air Force articles integrate the inventory table into the air forces article itself, which indicates the most common or preferred approach to displaying aircraft inventory table.
Ckfasdf (
talk) 14:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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